Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 2

[Blu82]

Fsck me that thing looks cool as hell.

And I would hardly call it an answer to the T-14 Armata... I would fully expect Rheinmettal to actually be able to produce it, and it will be at least 2 generations ahead of the T-14 if Russia can ever produce more of them.

I'm intrigued by this "Software Defined Tank" concept though... that would inherently place it leagues ahead of anything Russia can produce from the stuff we're seeing on the battlefield from them.

It is also a giant middle finger to the offical German and Frence MTB replacment project. This tank was designed by industry with no army or government involvement.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It is also a giant middle finger to the offical German and Frence MTB replacment project. This tank was designed by industry with no army or government involvement.

It will actually be interesting to see what a commercial tank is like in comparison to a government/army designed one...

I would honestly expect it to be cheaper and probably all around better.

 

[DreamKing]

Absolutely furious! The truth, the truth!!! Clayton can do better than this.

did you watch the video? I guess you didn't.

put your head in the sand is sasy,
however, accepting any fact which you don't believe before that is difficult.

I know.

ukraine is losing, no matter you like it or not.

 

[Nicodeamus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1536345629303050240

 

[ForceFate]

did you watch the video? I guess you didn't.

put your head in the sand is sasy,
however, accepting any fact which you don't believe before that is difficult.

I know.

ukraine is losing, no matter you like it or not.

Ukraine lost the moment Russia fired the first piece of artillery. Now, where do you go from here?

I don't think Ukraine was looking to beat Russia in the battlefield. Equipment and manpower parity favours Russia. Given these stats, Ukraine has done well to inflict the damage it has to Russia but Russia has more cannon fodder to tap into. Going to negotiations while on the retreat won't help them either. That's why they're appealing for weapons.

Now, what were you on about?

Btw, you can be anti-Kremlin antics without being anti normal rational people of Russia. Why do you support Putin and his murderous hangers-on?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Emmanuel Macron ‘betrays Ukraine’ as French imports of Russian gas soar

Figures show France received €900m worth of Kremlin gas while bombs rained down on Ukraine in the past two months

www.telegraph.co.uk

Emmanuel Macron ‘betrays Ukraine’ as French imports of Russian gas soar​

Figures show France received €900m worth of Kremlin gas while bombs rained down on Ukraine in the past two months

Emmanuel Macron has been accused of betraying Ukraine after figures showed that French imports of Russian gas rose during the invasion of Ukraine.

Russia made €93 billion (£80 billion) in fossil fuel exports during the first 100 days of the war, according to a report from the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (Crea), an independent research organisation based in Finland.

The EU in total accounted for 61 per cent of Russia’s total fossil fuel exports, worth about €57 billion (£49 billion), even as the bloc moved to reduce its dependence on Russian energy.

France, Belgium and the Netherlands had snapped up shipments of the Kremlin’s fossil fuels at discounted prices after other buyers cut back their purchases during the conflict, Crea said.

While Russian missiles and bombs were raining down on Ukraine in April and May, France received 12 shipments of liquefied natural gas (LNG) and other fossil fuel products worth almost €900 million (£773 million), the report showed

where is @Mirai with his united west rhetoric.

 

[Blu82]

So Russia may be running out of artillery ammo as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1536293694839701504

 

[Matata]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1536635497556197377

 

[DreamKing]

Ukraine lost the moment Russia fired the first piece of artillery. Now, where do you go from here?

I don't think Ukraine was looking to beat Russia in the battlefield. Equipment and manpower parity favours Russia. Given these stats, Ukraine has done well to inflict the damage it has to Russia but Russia has more cannon fodder to tap into. Going to negotiations while on the retreat won't help them either. That's why they're appealing for weapons.

Now, what were you on about?

Btw, you can be anti-Kremlin antics without being anti normal rational people of Russia. Why do you support Putin and his murderous hangers-on?

surrender, that is the only thing zelensky must do now.

putin supporter again? if I want the war to stop immediately that is a putin supporter, then yes I am. whatever you want to label me, I don't care.

 

[vaakseun]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1535063400732332032

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1536428084815077376

Another example of Ukrainian servicemen helping the local wildlife while the orcs just blow them up for shits & giggles.

 

[Blu82]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1536635497556197377

It seems the Ukraine will not hit those defense lines soon due to Russian artillery firing from inside Russia protecting it.

 

[ForceFate]

surrender, that is the only thing zelensky must do now.

Do you think a surrender would stop Putin's expansionist agenda? Heard his latest speech? Why do you think he wants the entire Ukrainian sea shore?

putin supporter again? if I want the war to stop immediately that is a putin supporter, then yes I am. whatever you want to label me, I don't care.

 

[DreamKing]

Do you think a surrender would stop Putin's expansionist agenda? Heard his latest speech?

definitely.

Why do you think he wants the entire Ukrainian sea shore?

if the war continues, then yes.

 

[ForceFate]

definitely.

What makes you think he'd stop? He's the aggressor in this case. They were organising to hold referendums in certain captured regions.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Russia's energy revenue higher now than just before Ukraine war, U.S. official says

Russia may be getting more revenue from its fossil fuels now than shortly before its invasion of Ukraine, as global price increases offset the impact of Western efforts to restrict its sales, U.S. energy security envoy Amos Hochstein told lawmakers during a hearing on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

WASHINGTON, June 9 (Reuters) - Russia may be getting more revenue from its fossil fuels now than shortly before its invasion of Ukraine, as global price increases offset the impact of Western efforts to restrict its sales, U.S. energy security envoy Amos Hochstein told lawmakers during a hearing on Thursday.

"I can't deny that," Hochstein told the Senate Subcommittee on Europe and Regional Security Cooperation in response to a question about whether Moscow was making more money now off its crude oil and gas sales than a couple of months before the war started.

 

[Cius]

Ukraine lost the moment Russia fired the first piece of artillery. Now, where do you go from here?

I don't think Ukraine was looking to beat Russia in the battlefield. Equipment and manpower parity favours Russia. Given these stats, Ukraine has done well to inflict the damage it has to Russia but Russia has more cannon fodder to tap into. Going to negotiations while on the retreat won't help them either. That's why they're appealing for weapons.

Now, what were you on about?

Btw, you can be anti-Kremlin antics without being anti normal rational people of Russia. Why do you support Putin and his murderous hangers-on?

A lot of research has been done on wars like Vietnam, Afghanistan x2, etc on why the much stronger power lost to a much weaker. Current thinking is that the weaker side that forces the other side to eventually withdraw has fundamentally different motivations. For the bigger player its not an all out war, its a limited conflict. The smaller nation however is all in on winning, and unwilling to surrender. They are essentially viewing it as a existential threat where the bigger player was looking for low hanging fruit. Unless the bigger nation goes equally all in they can never win. The other side will just never fold, and will keep fighting. In an era where genocide is not allowed it leaves no win condition for the larger country. Problem is going all in has a massive cost on the bigger country. Mass mobilization and conscription and turning your entire economy into a war economy is very hard and very unpopular. We saw it in WW2 when many economies switched over to that.

Ukraine will not give much. They hate Russia enough, and are doing enough damage that they will want to continue. The longer they hold out and the more support they gain the more likely it is that Russia will seek an out. Its looking more and more as if Russia will try take the two regions in the Donbass, and pull a Georgia issuing them all passports and declaring them Russian and using that as a pretext to end the war. It may lead to a ceasfire. Who knows. Either way I predict what Russia has lost is incalculable in this conflict. They where a heavyweight who took on a flyweight and the flyweight is trading punches and messing them up properly. Everyone is now aware of how toothless, and unmotivated Russian armed forces are. It would differ if they where on the defense but I think the era of Russia taking chunks of other nations by force is ending as everyone can now see resistance works.

 

[Unhappy438]

So Russia may be running out of artillery ammo as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1536293694839701504

Even if this is true, they have multiple districts. Russian artillery barrels will wear out before they run out of ammunition.

 

[Nicodeamus]

A lot of research has been done on wars like Vietnam, Afghanistan x2, etc on why the much stronger power lost to a much weaker. Current thinking is that the weaker side that forces the other side to eventually withdraw has fundamentally different motivations. For the bigger player its not an all out war, its a limited conflict. The smaller nation however is all in on winning, and unwilling to surrender. They are essentially viewing it as a existential threat where the bigger player was looking for low hanging fruit. Unless the bigger nation goes equally all in they can never win. The other side will just never fold, and will keep fighting. In an era where genocide is not allowed it leaves no win condition for the larger country. Problem is going all in has a massive cost on the bigger country. Mass mobilization and conscription and turning your entire economy into a war economy is very hard and very unpopular. We saw it in WW2 when many economies switched over to that.

Ukraine will not give much. They hate Russia enough, and are doing enough damage that they will want to continue. The longer they hold out and the more support they gain the more likely it is that Russia will seek an out. Its looking more and more as if Russia will try take the two regions in the Donbass, and pull a Georgia issuing them all passports and declaring them Russian and using that as a pretext to end the war. It may lead to a ceasfire. Who knows. Either way I predict what Russia has lost is incalculable in this conflict. They where a heavyweight who took on a flyweight and the flyweight is trading punches and messing them up properly. Everyone is now aware of how toothless, and unmotivated Russian armed forces are. It would differ if they where on the defense but I think the era of Russia taking chunks of other nations by force is ending as everyone can now see resistance works.

it's about asymmetric warfare and not having the local population's support, the difference here is that eastern Ukraine doesn't see the Russians as occupiers.

 

[DreamKing]

What makes you think he'd stop? He's the aggressor in this case. They were organising to hold referendums in certain captured regions.

initially, I guess putin just wanted to start some (small) conflicts and act as russia would capture kiev very shortly to push pressure on nato to accept putin's demands about ukraine. however, the responses from west were not as what putin expected. the turning point was putin decided to retreat from kiev and forcing on eastern areas. russia used the full force and you can see ukraine is losing very badly as I expected. so if ukraine surrendered, nato must do whatever russia demanded. that will be the best result currently. putin will stop expansion but don't expect russia will give back the lands which were already occupied.

however, if the war continues, ukraine will not only lose the sea shore, may be the entire ukraine will be swallowed by russia. is that what you want to see?

 

[ForceFate]

it's about asymmetric warfare and not having the local population's support, the difference here is that eastern Ukraine doesn't see the Russians as occupiers.

Not necessarily true, else the resistance would have folded already.