Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 2

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Nicodeamus said:
of course it is a surrender, but that cuts through the narrative that Russia is losing the war.
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They seemed to have lost close to a 1,000 men at a river crossing recently. They also lost the Battles of Kyiv and Kharkiv. It should be said that the Mariupol thing tied Russian forces down for more than two months at a time when Ukrainians were most vulnerable.
 
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ToxicBunny said:
Generally a proper beatdown would be my guess.
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I remember a few weeks ago some Polish government officials said they were not afraid of using their own Nuclear weapons in Poland if Russia tries to invade. I wish I saved that tweet. I was like wtf when I read that tweet.
 
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I remember a few weeks ago some Polish government officials said they were not afraid of using their own Nuclear weapons in Poland if Russia tries to invade. I wish I saved that tweet. I was like wtf when I read that tweet.
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www.jpost.com

Poland 'open' to nukes stationed in country amid Russia-Ukraine war

Ruling Polish party leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski noted that Poland would also welcome a 50% increase in the number of US troops in Europe.
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Ok Maybe I misread, but I swear I saw something like that a few weeks ago.
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
same as any foreign mercenaries: you are known by the company you keep
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I can see you've never served in any sort of disciplined force. Do you really think that the Marines could say "Mariupol? No General, I want to go to Lviv, ok my sweetie"?
 
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Matata said:
I remember a few weeks ago some Polish government officials said they were not afraid of using their own Nuclear weapons in Poland if Russia tries to invade. I wish I saved that tweet. I was like wtf when I read that tweet.
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Poland does not have nuclear weapons. They tried developing them but the leading scientist was killed in a mysterious car crash in 1978 thought to be the work of the KGB. The only weapons they had were the Soviet ones which were stored by the Russians, the Russians told the world they did not install any in Warsaw Pact Poland which was a lie. They're buying F35s in the hope of nuclear sharing but that is a long shot.
 
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Keep Finland And Sweden Out Of NATO​


The last thing America needs is more security dependents in Europe.

Finland and Sweden have signaled their intent to apply for NATO membership as the Russian invasion of Ukraine enters its fourth month. In their blind desire to stick it to Pyootin and the Russkies, American policy makers and Western leaders across the ideological spectrum have come out in support of the two countries’ NATO bid.

But letting Finland and Sweden join NATO is not a no-brainer, nor a foregone conclusion. Not only would the move upend the decades-long policy of neutrality that has allowed the Nordic region to thrive, it would more than double NATO’s current border with Russia, allow more security dependents to free-ride off of American security, and likely require America to increase its military footprint in Europe, all while increasing the possibility of a nuclear World War III.

A joint statement from Finnish President Sauli Niinistö and Prime Minister Sanna Marin Thursday pledged the pair’s support for Finland’s NATO-membership application.

“NATO membership would strengthen Finland’s security. As a member of NATO, Finland would strengthen the entire defence alliance,” the statement read. “Finland must apply for NATO membership without delay. We hope that the national steps still needed to make this decision will be taken rapidly within the next few days.”

On Sunday, the Social Democratic Party that currently controls the Swedish government announced it will vote in favor of submitting an application to join NATO.

“We Social Democrats believe the best for Sweden and the Swedish people’s security is to join NATO,” Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said, in a press conference announcing the decision. “Military nonalignment has served Sweden well, but our conclusion is that it won’t serve us equally well in the future,” she continued, adding that “this is not a decision to be taken lightly.”

It’s quite the shift in the span of just over two months. As recently as March 8, Andersson came out against a Swedish bid to join the alliance. “If Sweden were to choose to send in an application to join NATO in the current situation, it would further destabilize this area of Europe and increase tensions,” she told members of the media at the time.
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Keep Finland And Sweden Out of NATO - The American Conservative

The last thing America needs is more security dependents in Europe.
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Matata said:
www.jpost.com

Poland 'open' to nukes stationed in country amid Russia-Ukraine war

Ruling Polish party leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski noted that Poland would also welcome a 50% increase in the number of US troops in Europe.
www.jpost.com www.jpost.com

Ok Maybe I misread, but I swear I saw something like that a few weeks ago.
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Kaczynski is the head of the ruling party (and deputy PM) there and his twin brother was killed in a plane 'accident' over Smolensk when he was a president. At the time they were pursuing the ABM shield with the Americans using SM-3 missiles to held defend the US, it would consist of a radar system in PL and missiles in RO or other way around. The PM at the time, who is reputed to be called "Our man in Warsaw" by Kremlin because of his Russo-friendly status at the time was Donald Tusk and his party was opposed and delayed this shield for 10 or so years. The nature of this anti ballistic shield also changed under Obama because of the Polish left wing party foot dragging so that it became one protecting Europe while the deceased Kaczynski wanted it to remain a shield which would protect the US as that would increase the impetus for the US to defend this asset which would be key to US security. The shield will be completed by the end of 2022 but in the more Russian friendly form. That's the Kaczynski, who also travelled to Kyiv, when it was really dangerous to do so, in the article.

For the record, what the Poles would probably like would be to get Ukraine into their Intermarium concept, or the 3 seas initiative, which would have access to Baltic, Adriatic and Black seas, and would form a powerful bloc against the Russians and French-Germans. This may become possible as without the aid to 2.5 mil Ukrainian refugees Ukraine would probably had folded, as if we look back to the early days of this war, most nations were not so much pro helping Ukraine but the opening of the borders, agitation for aid and military support from the Poles helped shame much of Europe into action. A large bloc like the 3 Seas would be able to counterbalance the pro-German/French inertia of the EU and would also be beneficial for NATO. It's clear also that the United States is pro this initiative, as is the UK, as it would rebalance Europe and also allow for the bloc to pose a more serious challenge to the Russians.
 
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