Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 2

[AlmightyBender]

Not sure what planet you live on where things like cheddar cheese are over R200 a kilo, or tomatoes are around R50 a kilo.

The planet Copium

 

[Nicodeamus]

Ummm small point of clarification, the Finns are not considered Vikings.

The Estonian archaeologist, Marika Mägi, argues that the Baltic Finns – the people who lived in the territories of modern Finland and Estonia – were Vikings, too, but the world ignores this fact.

The Baltic Finns were Vikings too, but the world ignores it

The Estonian archaeologist, Marika Mägi, argues that the Baltic Finns – the people who lived in the territories of modern Finland and Estonia – were Vikings, too, but the world ignores this fact.

estonianworld.com

Turns out, that there is also a Viking counter narrative to the Finns.

To put it simply, coastal warriors, who lived in modern Estonia, Finland and Latvia were also Vikings, and both archaeological as well as written sources prove it. Mägi spent decades collecting them.

Then she wrote a book about it. Ten years and 512 pages later, “In Austrvegr: The Role of the Eastern Baltic in Viking Age Communication across the Baltic Sea“ was published by the Dutch publishing house, Brill.

Brill’s acquisitions editor for Medieval Studies and History of Warfare, Kate Hammond, pointed out that dozens of academic libraries throughout the world ordered Marika Mägi’s book within two years. It can be found in libraries from Oxford to Stanford and from Malta to Australia. The book has even been ordered to Nigeria and cities like Paris, Berlin, Berkeley and New York. The list is long.

 

[Matata]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526794182957879297

 

[ToxicBunny]

The Estonian archaeologist, Marika Mägi, argues that the Baltic Finns – the people who lived in the territories of modern Finland and Estonia – were Vikings, too, but the world ignores this fact.

The Baltic Finns were Vikings too, but the world ignores it

The Estonian archaeologist, Marika Mägi, argues that the Baltic Finns – the people who lived in the territories of modern Finland and Estonia – were Vikings, too, but the world ignores this fact.

estonianworld.com

Turns out, that there is also a Viking counter narrative to the Finns.

How did I know you'd find the one researcher who generally disagrees with the rest of the world.

 

[Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526846820382560256

I liked some of the replies

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526847270204891136

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526848190498078720

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526850504600567814

 

[Nicodeamus]

How did I know you'd find the one researcher who generally disagrees with the rest of the world.

"In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man.” - Galileo Galilei

To the point though, I don't think that the Russians would be wise to provoke Finnish Nationalism. Unlike Ukraine, their army is top notch and the country has resources.

 

[ToxicBunny]

"In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man.” - Galileo Galilei

To the point though, I don't think that the Russians would be wise to provoke Finnish Nationalism. Unlike Ukraine, their army is top notch and the country has resources.

Oh awesome, so now the rest of the worlds scientists throw out opinions, but your little poster child uses reason... gotcha!

But I do not disagree, Vlad would be an even bigger retard to provoke Finland, he will have another 200000 compatriots buried at the border.

 

[Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526284869067751431

 

[AlmightyBender]

"In the sciences, the authority of thousands of opinions is not worth as much as one tiny spark of reason in an individual man.” - Galileo Galilei

But you think that through iterative improvement over time, that the outlier is still always correct? If the Catholic church from the dark ages was still in charge of scientific exploration and methods today, you MIGHT have a point. But you don't.

Dude, please do the world a favour and never accept a position of responsibility or leadership.

 

[Nicodeamus]

But you think that through interative improvement over time, that the outlier is still always correct? If the Catholic church from the dark ages was still in charge of scientific exploration and methods you MIGHT have a point. But you don't.

Dude, please do the world a favour and never accept a position of responsibility or leadership.

You should make yourself familier with the sociology of science and paradigm changes and in particular the work of Thomas Kuhn

Paradigm shift - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scientists are just as tribal and in practice science moves from 1 graveyard to another and unfortunately not through refutation and observation.

Thomas Kuhn - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Individuals who break through by inventing a new paradigm are almost always either very young men or very new to the field whose paradigm they change. These are the men who, being little committed by prior practice to the traditional rules of normal science, are particularly likely to see that those rules no longer define a playable game and conceive another set that can replace them. - Thomas Kuhn

 

[GreatWmR]

How did I know you'd find the one researcher who generally disagrees with the rest of the world.

Kinda reminds me of this gif

 

[surface]

The cheese is way cheaper than here in SA, yes the tomatoes are more expensive, but everything else is more or less the same price as SA... makes you think how we are getting ripped off!

Where did you get the data from?

Cost Of Living Comparison Between Russia And South Africa

www.numbeo.com

 

[AstroTurf]

Where did you get the data from?

Cost Of Living Comparison Between Russia And South Africa

www.numbeo.com

When the cheesyness started I was looking for a youtube video I watched recently where niki or whatever the guys name is was walking around comparing current vs pre war prices and all I was thinking is they were slightly cheaper than us and now are pretty much on par...

 

[Dave]

Russians looking at making more enemies?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526319816696537093

 

[Matata]

Propaganda appeals to the reptile brain and evades critical thinking. Explains why some forum members easily believe russian military propaganda. They think they thought critically when it was their inner desires and biases that were fulfilled. That being said propaganda goes both ways before someone says "bUT you ArE oNly tAlKiNg aBOUT oNe side"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526855748092932096

 

[Solarion]

I'm still trying to find out what NATO has actually done to Russia

Ukraine–NATO relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'll just leave this here as a starting point. I'm not going to defend Russia **** them. But I'm also not going to just turn a blind eye to anything NATO might have done. Thing is there is war now and it's a new chapter and what's done is done. They need to both fix this.

I'm tired though and not wanting to get any any debates or anything. You're on your own if you want to dig deeper. My brain is on a break, too much work to do!

 

[surface]

Ummm small point of clarification, the Finns are not considered Vikings.

Do you reckon that if you just keep on showing his lies & factual errors then at one point of time, he will feel ashamed?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Do you reckon that if you just keep on showing his lies & factual errors then at one point of time, he will feel ashamed?

Nah, its more to see what level of batshyttery he will engage in to try and show me that I'm wrong...

 

[Nicodeamus]

Nah, its more to see what level of batshyttery he will engage in to try and show me that I'm wrong...

But you were wrong. There is good evidence that the Finns were also Vikings, especially the Baltic Fins.
How did the Vikings go and raid parts of Russia? They had to cross Finland.

 

[AlmightyBender]

You should make yourself familier with the sociology of science and paradigm changes and in particular the work of Thomas Kuhn

Paradigm shift - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scientists are just as tribal and in practice science moves from 1 graveyard to another and unfortunately not through refutation and observation.

Thomas Kuhn - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And you're making the non-sensical leap that because Paradigm Shifts exist... that every outlier is a Paradigm Shift.
That is delusional reasoning.