Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 4

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AfricanTech said:
Yep, they haven't lived it and therefore don't believe it.

It's a phenomenon bred by the digital world we live in.

They see stuff on screen, they know that things on screen can easily be faked (since they grow up on a diet of fake via the big screen (movies), the medium screen (TV), and the small screen (phones and tablets), and, since digital content can literally be faked in their own bedrooms using tools they can access in seconds (tiktok, insta, youtube), they develop an innate belief that everything, even real life experience, is fake.

This culminates in idiotic statements such as "I'd like to see a nuke explode to see what happens".

They have no lived experience and don't trust/believe that the lived experience of older folk could possibly be real.
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Have you interacted with Cosmic much on this forum, I don’t think you have
 
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Just a reminder who Dugin is ...


Dugin derives his worldview from that of German philosopher Martin Heidegger, who joined the Nazis and ran the University of Heidelberg for them, implementing their “racial” exclusions.

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Dugin’s influential 1997 book Foundations Of Geopolitics advocates for Russian rule “from Dublin to Vladisvostok” using military means, disinformation and leveraging natural resources.
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Matata said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561111634688593920
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Just a reminder who Dugin is ...

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South Africa's Jermwarfare actually did an interview with him. H
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Aleksandr Dugin on the Fourth Political Theory

Aleksandr Dugin is a Russian professor and author who believes that modernity and liberalism are highly destructive. He developed an idea known as the Fourth Political Theory. -- Alexander Dugin (b...
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but his ideas are trumped up by NATO propaganda.
www.thenation.com

This Is How the New Cold War Turns Hot

American journalists keep saying Alexander Dugin is Putin’s ideological adviser. One problem: He's not.
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American journalists keep saying Alexander Dugin is Putin’s ideological adviser. One problem: He's not.
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Putin, always sensitive to his right flank (the military and ultra-nationalists), likely has his political party, United Russia, engaged in dialogue with figures like Dugin. But that hardly makes Dugin “Putin’s ideologist.” In the summer of 2014, Dugin was, in fact, fired from his post at Moscow State University, Russia’s most prestigious institution of higher education, after publicly pushing the “Greater Russia” line and criticizing Putin’s failure to take more aggressive action on Ukraine. This would be a curious outcome if he were Putin’s adviser. Putin blames the USSR’s collapse in part on expensive, reckless adventurism and has been known to characterize those advancing such action as irresponsible. Dugin’s dismissal from his university post was an embarrassment for the American commentariat asserting the Dugin/Putin link. Yet the high-profile David Brooks is still at it. Dugin does make the rounds among states where deplorables presently govern, e.g., Hungary and Turkey. But there is no evidence he does so on behalf of Putin.

Putin is frequently cited as trying to dismantle Ukraine. He illegally seized Crimea—a previously Russian territory with a Russian majority population given to Ukraine by the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev and inherited by them once the USSR dissolved—and he has supported ethnic Russians in the Donbas civil war. Rather than driving that war, he is criticized from his right flank for not doing more to ensure separatist victory. The former leader of the separatist forces in the “Donestsk People’s Republic,” former intelligence officer and Russian czarist, Igor Girkin (aka Strelkov), stated, “I’m the one who pulled the trigger of war, ” not Putin. Furthermore, he has said, “I’m an inconvenient figure for them, they don’t know what to do with me: am I a hero or a terrorist? They can’t arrest and jail me because it would be seen as bowing to the West to call me a terrorist. But to give me honors is also inconvenient for them, so I’m in this strange gap.” While Putin is responsible for Russia’s continued presence in the Donbas, it is his right flank that both launched that war and works to prevent an exit from it.
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In the Duma there has always been figures further to the right of Putin. Putin tried until recently to maintain a multi ethnic Russia where over 20% of the population is not ethnically Russian, that includes a Muslim Tartar as the head of the central bank.

Putin is more of a realist than an ideologue, and while there is no doubt that he rules as an autocrat at home, he can be engaged by the United States with interest-based realism. The United States and Russia both have military/intelligence-industrial complexes fueling this Cold War 2.0, with media in both countries playing a supporting role. The situation could quickly spiral out of control. Neither Russia nor the United States should be given a free pass, but neither should they be working to increase tensions. The United States need not support Putin, but they should be mindful that revanchists on his right flank, like Dugin, look to build a “Greater Russia.” The United States should act cautiously. Putin’s fall might not bring democracy but instead the rise of the revanchists and a Cold War that turns hot.
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www.pravda.com.ua

The West considers applying NATO’s Article 5 in response to possible accident at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

EUROPEAN PRAVDA – SATURDAY, 20 AUGUST 2022, 13:48
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Quote: "Let’s make it clear now: ANY deliberate damage causing potential radiation leak to a Ukrainian nuclear reactor would be a breach of NATO’s Article 5."

His stance was backed by Adam Kinzinger, a member of the House of Representatives of the US Congress from Illinois.

"That's 100% true. Not even discussed. Any leak will kill people in NATO countries, this is an automatic inclusion of Art. 5," he tweeted.
 
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Nicodeamus said:
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seems quite obvious to me what occurred.
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By this same logic, Russia is encircling all the countries of Eastern Europe and thus must be destroyed.

You are playing such a dumb game here my man.

I mean the civilized solution here is to just get along peacefully with your neighbors but Russia has shown it isn't capable of that.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
And here @Nicodeamus was quoting Grayzone and accusing the Azov of being Nazis. Meanwhile, Grayzone was being run by the Nazi Wagner group. Care to explain Nico?
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Dave said:
They do post the same amount of crap though.
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buka001 said:
What is Greyzone, if not a typo from a Russian speaker?
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Cosmik Debris said:
Of course. Post tons of bumpf and burble instead of answering the question. Answer it Nico.
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hey, you lot should stick to your own rules.

the award winning jewish journalist dan cohen posts on the grayzone.

he is jewish therefor grayzone cannot be nazi

zelensky is jewish, therefor cannot collaborate with nazis. remember?? :ROFL:
 
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access said:
hey, you lot should stick to your own rules.

the award winning jewish journalist dan cohen posts on the grayzone.

he is jewish therefor grayzone cannot be nazi

zelensky is jewish, therefor cannot collaborate with nazis. remember?? :ROFL:
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Stalin collaborated with the Nazis but he wasn't one.:)

And no, Zelensky is not neo-nazi but Rusich are. So are Azov brigade soldiers.
 
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MiW said:
www.pravda.com.ua

The West considers applying NATO’s Article 5 in response to possible accident at Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

EUROPEAN PRAVDA – SATURDAY, 20 AUGUST 2022, 13:48
www.pravda.com.ua www.pravda.com.ua

Quote: "Let’s make it clear now: ANY deliberate damage causing potential radiation leak to a Ukrainian nuclear reactor would be a breach of NATO’s Article 5."

His stance was backed by Adam Kinzinger, a member of the House of Representatives of the US Congress from Illinois.

"That's 100% true. Not even discussed. Any leak will kill people in NATO countries, this is an automatic inclusion of Art. 5," he tweeted.
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That gives the Ukrainians all the incentive to blow up the reactor and draw NATO further h into the conflict.
 
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AlmightyBender said:
By this same logic, Russia is encircling all the countries of Eastern Europe and thus must be destroyed.

You are playing such a dumb game here my man.

I mean the civilized solution here is to just get along peacefully with your neighbors but Russia has shown it isn't capable of that.
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Erm Russia has lost territory since the collapse of the USSR, with the exception of Crimea, it's been a major role back.
Russia didn't put Missile systems (the US excuse being to counter iran) in Poland or withdraw from the non proliferation treaties, the US did that.

The civilised solution would be to demilitarise the area, allow Ukraine to join the EU and build it up economically as opposed to militarily.
 
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