Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 4

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Stalin collaborated with the Nazis but he wasn't one.:)

And no, Zelensky is not neo-nazi but Rusich are. So are Azov brigade soldiers.

?? what about stalin? he also crushed the nazis? and then hes still a pews. what now.

the argument was that there are no nazis because the jewish zelensky is president.
 

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Yeah.. Let's fsck our country up even further just to drag nato in...

Do you even vaguely think about the retarded shyte you post before you click on the post button?

That part of "their country" consists of ethnic Russians who wanted greater autonomy.
 

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Seems like it is officially confirmed that it is a car bomb.

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and another source:

 

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Seems like it is officially confirmed that it is a car bomb.

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and another source:


Dugin will be looking over his shoulder (and under his car) in the future.
 

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Yeah.. Let's fsck our country up even further just to drag nato in...

Do you even vaguely think about the retarded shyte you post before you click on the post button?

That part of "their country" consists of ethnic Russians who wanted greater autonomy.
That isn't even remotely an answer Nico. Do you really think they would be willing to destroyed all their alliances and murder their neighbors citizens just to kill some Russian speaking people? Does that make sense in any version of any universe?

The actual f is wrong with your brain?

You've dehumanised the Ukrainian people to such an extent that you detached from reality and basic logic. You don't seem to have any ability anymore to understand basic humanity and human motivation for actions and behaviour. You've lost your mind.

P.S. if the "ethnic" Russians in Ukraine want to be part of Russia so badly then they can get in a car, bus, train, plane or simply walk and f-off to Russia. That is the only valid solution to their "suffering" (which is lies of course, Putin and Russians don't even take care of their own, much less anyone else. This is about territorial conquest, nothing else)
 

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That gives the Ukrainians all the incentive to blow up the reactor and draw NATO further h into the conflict.
Do you really think Ukraine would be that stupid? Any serious incident at that nuclear plant would be thoroughly investigated by independent teams when they are able to gain access, satellite imagery could also help determine where the shelling came from and what may have caused the incident.

Aside from the fact that a serious incident there could contaminate large parts of Ukraine and it's European neighbours, the multi billion dollar plant generates more than a fifth of Ukraine's electricity.
 

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Do you really think Ukraine would be that stupid? Any serious incident at that nuclear plant would be thoroughly investigated by independent teams when they are able to gain access, satellite imagery could also help determine where the shelling came from and what may have caused the incident.

Aside from the fact that a serious incident there could contaminate large parts of Ukraine and it's European neighbours, the multi billion dollar plant generates more than a fifth of Ukraine's electricity.

Actual event: Criminals break into office building, destroy furniture and steal everything in sight, rape and kill people, threaten to set building on fire which would kill all the office workers.

Nico's version: Friendly guys walk into office building cause they heard someone screaming, office workers start smashing furniture and raping and killing one another in order to blame it on the friendly guys to make them "look bad", office workers try to destroy valuables so friendly guys remove the items from property for safekeeping, office workers then try to set building on fire and kill all the office workers in an attempt to get friendly guys arrested for arson.
 

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This is some seriously fckd up lifestyle .. Russia saving donbass from civilization.

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Search for water in the city for men is linked to a risk to encounter mobilisation punishers who capture people right in the streets during this endless and infinite “graveisation” that was started here by the Russian Federation, and all without exceptions civilians of Donetsk in some districts have to watch carefully under their feet to avoid stepping on “lepestok” mines, otherwise – good bye foot!"
 

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That isn't even remotely an answer Nico. Do you really think they would be willing to destroyed all their alliances and murder their neighbors citizens just to kill some Russian speaking people? Does that make sense in any version of any universe.
They burned Russsian speaking Ukrainians alive in Odessa in 2014. They seem completely capable of pulling of this stunt.
The actual f is wrong with your brain?

You've dehumanised the Ukrainian people to such an extent that you detached from reality and basic logic. You don't seem to have any ability anymore to understand basic humanity and human motivation for actions and behaviour. You've lost your mind.

P.S. if the "ethnic" Russians in Ukraine want to be part of Russia so badly then they can get in a car, bus, train, plane or simply walk and f-off to Russia. That is the only valid solution to their "suffering" (which is lies of course, Putin and Russians don't even take care of their own, much less anyone else. This is about territorial conquest, nothing else)
Those Russians called themselves Ukrainian not to long ago, but they have been denigrated and humiliated to the point that they want self rule. There is deep divisions and hatred within Ukraine and you're not prepared to see the root cause of it.
 

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Nico just has to post an opposing view, no matter how ridiculous. We've observed this with other propagandists in Russia.

Nico has admitted being a contrarian. So anything you say, he will oppose. I will no longer be debating with him because of this reason. All I will do is point out how ridiculous his contrarian views are.
 

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Do you really think Ukraine would be that stupid? Any serious incident at that nuclear plant would be thoroughly investigated by independent teams when they are able to gain access, satellite imagery could also help determine where the shelling came from and what may have caused the incident.

Aside from the fact that a serious incident there could contaminate large parts of Ukraine and it's European neighbours, the multi billion dollar plant generates more than a fifth of Ukraine's electricity.

Ukraine staged the massacre in Bucha and Mariopul and then went on to blame Russia for it.
The Ukrainian far right slaughtered innocent people in the Maidan streets in 2014 and then went on to blame their government for it.

False flag operations are part of modern warfare. It was used in Syria and it is used in Ukraine.

Ukraine has also the incentive to draw NATO further into this war, the initially called for a No Fly Zone, now they want to force countries into invoking article 4.
 

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Caused by Russia themselves. And encircled means you need to include the eastern borders as well. Liar by omission as usual.

The majority of Russia's population stays on the western frontier. The distance involved is why some analysist look at Russia as a landlocked country.
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Russia only has 1 warm water port at guess where? Sevastopol Crimea.
 
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Erm Russia has lost territory since the collapse of the USSR, with the exception of Crimea, it's been a major role back.
Russia didn't put Missile systems (the US excuse being to counter iran) in Poland or withdraw from the non proliferation treaties, the US did that.

The civilised solution would be to demilitarise the area, allow Ukraine to join the EU and build it up economically as opposed to militarily.
And yet the defensive US missiles in Poland remain unfired.

While Russia has expended so many cruise missiles, its using surface to air missiles to attack ground targets.
 

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And yet the defensive US missiles in Poland remain unfired.

While Russia has expended so many cruise missiles, its using surface to air missiles to attack ground targets.

those systems can be turned to an offensive system very quickly, in fact there is little distinction between what is defensive and offensive, its a PR term.

Don't forget this golden Nugget from George Bush, placing a Missile Shield in Poland is meant to deter Iran! (did anyone believe that?)

But let's not forget the real reason for those weapons as Tony Blair said to John McCain.

9. (C/NF) Since leaving office, said Blair, he has turned
his interests eastward. He was concerned that we risked
establishing "two top tables" with the United States at one,
Europe at the other, and China playing off the two. This was
analogous to the "most damaging thing we did with Russia."
He said the post-Yelstin era marked a missed opportunity,
when Russia had taken advantage of the lack of a cohesive
response from Europe and the U.S. in response to the
increasingly autocratic Putin, who had undone much of
Russia's democratic progress. Continuing with the boarding
school analogy, Blair said, "if America and Europe are at the
same table, we can manage China and Russia." McCain said
this was why he was developing the concept of a "league of
democracies" to join like-minded nations together in common
cause based on shared values. He asked Blair his views on
Putin. "The problem with managing Putin and Russia," said
Blair, "is that we have to deal with them when it comes to
Iran." The rest of the strategy, he said, should be to make
Russia a "little desperate" with our activities in areas
bordering on what Russia considers its sphere of interest and
along its actual borders. Russia had to be shown firmness
and sown with seeds of confusion.

Can you give me better evidence of a provocation?
 
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