Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 4

[ToxicBunny]

Ukraine staged the massacre in Bucha and Mariopul and then went on to blame Russia for it.
The Ukrainian far right slaughtered innocent people in the Maidan streets in 2014 and then went on to blame their government for it.

False flag operations are part of modern warfare. It was used in Syria and it is used in Ukraine.

Ukraine has also the incentive to draw NATO further into this war, the initially called for a No Fly Zone, now they want to force countries into invoking article 4.

Yeah you obviously don't think about the retarded shyte you write before posting it...

 

[vaakseun]

Ukraine staged the massacre in Bucha and Mariopul and then went on to blame Russia for it.
The Ukrainian far right slaughtered innocent people in the Maidan streets in 2014 and then went on to blame their government for it.

Factual links to internationally recognized credible sources Nico please.

 

[ForceFate]

?? what about stalin? he also crushed the nazis? and then hes still a pews. what now.

I'm just using the logic often used here. Think of nazi collaborators who later turned against them.

the argument was that there are no nazis because the jewish zelensky is president.

But who called grayzone neo-nazi? They're Kremlin propagandists afaik.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

And let's not forget Crimea with their naval base. Was this to fall into the West's hands, it would be very easy to control, restrict or block access to Russian coast within the Black Sea (I. E. Rostov or Krasnodar).

That's already the case. The Russian Black Sea Fleet cannot transit the Bosporus due to the Montreux treaty:

Feb 28, 2022Turkey closes the Dardanelles and Bosphorus to warships Turkey's Foreign Minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, revealed that all countries have been warned not to transit warships through the straits. The decision which was made during a Turkish cabinet meeting today closes the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits to all military vessels...

Turkey closes the Dardanelles and Bosphorus to warships - Naval News

Turkey's MFA stated in an interview that the Montreux Convention rules will be applied due to the war between Russia and Ukraine.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Nicodeamus]

That's already the case. The Russian Black Sea Fleet cannot transit the Bosporus due to the Montreux treaty:

Feb 28, 2022Turkey closes the Dardanelles and Bosphorus to warships Turkey's Foreign Minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, revealed that all countries have been warned not to transit warships through the straits. The decision which was made during a Turkish cabinet meeting today closes the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits to all military vessels...

Turkey closes the Dardanelles and Bosphorus to warships - Naval News

Turkey's MFA stated in an interview that the Montreux Convention rules will be applied due to the war between Russia and Ukraine.

www.navalnews.com

Correct, in a war between Russia and Turkey, Turkey might have the upperhand. But Russia also has access to the wider ocean through its renewed ties with Iran. It's part of the new Great Game.


But again the cognitive dissonance is strong here, either Russia is a landlocked country with an economy the size of Italy and an army that cannot win a front line war in Ukraine.
Or Russia is a great power that justifies a military budget that is beyond absurd and this massive international response.

To put it differently, if Italy were to attack Greece tomorrow would be take seriously the claim that Mario Drachi is trying to rebuild the Roman Empire? That is as absurd as thinking that Putin is going to be at the strait of Gibraltar tomorrow.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The majority of Russia's population stays on the western frontier. The distance involved is why some analysist look at Russia as a landlocked country.
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Russia only has 1 warm water port at guess where? Sevastopol Crimea.

While it uses those from the east and south that are not Euro Russians as cannon fodder conscripts. Talk about apartheid...

 

[dualmeister]

Alexander Dugin filmed at site of car bomb that killed his daughter

Vladimir Putin's closest supporters have demanded vengeance on Ukraine over the 'assassination' of Darya Dugina, daughter of the Russian leader's spiritual guru.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Cosmik Debris]

That part of "their country" consists of ethnic Russians who wanted greater autonomy.

Which will be uninhabitable if a power plant goes up in a boom. But according to you, radiation is harmless and Pripyat should be re-occupied.

 

[Nicodeamus]

While it uses those from the east and south that are not Euro Russians as cannon fodder conscripts. Talk about apartheid...

All countries recruit from an uninformed population. Why do we conscript men at 16 or 18 into the army and not 28 year olds? The reason begin that the latter has a bit more understanding of how the world works.
The US recruits disproportionately comes from Southern Appalachia, and the Scotts Irish in particular, one of the poorest regions and ethnic groups in the country.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Which will be uninhabitable if a power plant goes up in a boom. But according to you, radiation is harmless and Pripyat should be re-occupied.

I actually do think that small attempts can be made to reoccupy Pripyat or at least a programme can be launched to see if animals can be resettled, I wouldn't go balls against the wall though. This actually isn't a controversial view. The effect of low dose radiation is currently being debated in the literature.

There has been a proposal to build a high nuclear exposure zone in Mexico to test the effect on animal population. Despite predictions that Chernobyl would become a wasteland, the animals seem to be unbothered by the radiation. One reason being that they don't watch scary Hollywood films.

LONDON—Elk, roe deer, wild boars, and other wildlife are thriving in a radiation-contaminated preserve largely off limits to people near the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in Ukraine, researchers have found. In a study published today, scientists report "no evidence of a negative influence of radiation on mammal abundance" in the Chernobyl exclusion zone straddling the Belarus-Ukraine border. Much of the 4200-square-kilometer zone was evacuated after the nuclear plant's unit 4 reactor exploded in 1986, sending a radioactive plume over Europe.

"When humans are removed, nature flourishes, even in the aftermath of the world's worst nuclear accident," says co-author Jim Smith, an environmental scientist at the University of Portsmouthin the United Kingdom. But some scientists argue that the study glosses over findings showing that the radioactive contamination has damaged individual animals.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

 

[Cosmik Debris]

That part of "their country" consists of ethnic Russians who wanted greater autonomy.

So does Orania. Why isn't it independent?

 

[Solarion]

That gives the Ukrainians all the incentive to blow up the reactor and draw NATO further h into the conflict.

If that happens it happens. If it does not then it does not. Nothing we can do.

 

[Nicodeamus]

So does Orania. Why isn't it independent?

The population of Orania lives in many ways as if they are independent, I was there in 2011. Interesting place.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Ukraine staged the massacre in Bucha and Mariopul and then went on to blame Russia for it.

And not a single Ukrainian survivor has told the ICC, Amnesty. red cross nor any other organisation the actual truth, hey Nico?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Ukraine has also the incentive to draw NATO further into this war, the initially called for a No Fly Zone, now they want to force countries into invoking article 4.

The only country that has drawn NATO further into this war and increased its membership is Russia.

 

[Nicodeamus]

And not a single Ukrainian survivor has told the ICC, Amnesty. red cross nor any other organisation the actual truth, hey Nico?

You just need to spent 5 minutes looking at the recycled crisis actors in the media and the convenient timing to realize what is going on. False flags are used to turn public opinion.

But the Witness testimony contradicts the official narrative.

New witness testimony about Mariupol maternity hospital ‘airstrike’ follows pattern of Ukrainian deceptions, media malpractice - The Grayzone

A key witness to the widely publicized incident at the Mariupol maternity hospital has punctured the official narrative of a Russian airstrike on the facility, and raised serious questions about Western media ethics. Meanwhile, news of a massacre in the city of Bucha contains suspicious...

thegrayzone.com

The information war escalates in Bucha
Hours before the publication of this article, on April 2nd, claims of Russia’s most hideous alleged war crime to date erupted across social media. Footage and photos of scores of dead bodies – some with their hands tied – littering the streets of Bucha, a small city near Kiev, testified to an apparent massacre of military-aged men by Russian troops, as they retreated from the battered city two days earlier.

The gruesome visuals have triggered intensified calls for direct Western military confrontation with Russia. But as with the incident at the maternity ward in Mariupol and numerous other high profile events initially portrayed by Ukrainian authorities as Russian massacres, a series of details cast doubt on the official story out of Bucha.



Within hours of Russia’s withdrawal from the Bucha on March 31st, its mayor announced that his city had been liberated from “Russian orcs,” employing a dehumanizing term widely used by Azov Battalion. An accompanying article noted the Russians had “mined civilian buildings and infrastructure,” but no mention was made of any mass killing of local citizens, let alone scores of corpses left in the street, which one might reasonably expect would be top of any news outlet’s agenda when reporting on the event.

 

[ForceFate]

That part of "their country" consists of ethnic Russians who wanted greater autonomy.

That's a poor argument. Freestate has many ethnic Sothos, Canada has French people, Malaysia has ethnic Chinese...etc.

 

[Nicodeamus]

That's a poor argument. Freestate has many ethnic Sothos, Canada has French people, Malaysia has ethnic Chinese...etc.

Quebec would be independent if Canada treats their French speakers with 1/10 of the disrespect that Ukraine has towards their Russian minority. You can be sure that France would support the independence.

 

[ForceFate]

Ukraine staged the massacre in Bucha and Mariopul and then went on to blame Russia for it.
The Ukrainian far right slaughtered innocent people in the Maidan streets in 2014 and then went on to blame their government for it.

False flag operations are part of modern warfare. It was used in Syria and it is used in Ukraine.

Ukraine has also the incentive to draw NATO further into this war, the initially called for a No Fly Zone, now they want to force countries into invoking article 4.

Not this again Nico.

 

[Grant]

You just need to spent 5 minutes looking at the recycled crisis actors in the media and the convenient timing to realize what is going on. False flags are used to turn public opinion.

But the Witness testimony contradicts the official narrative.

New witness testimony about Mariupol maternity hospital ‘airstrike’ follows pattern of Ukrainian deceptions, media malpractice - The Grayzone

A key witness to the widely publicized incident at the Mariupol maternity hospital has punctured the official narrative of a Russian airstrike on the facility, and raised serious questions about Western media ethics. Meanwhile, news of a massacre in the city of Bucha contains suspicious...

thegrayzone.com

Why do you continually quote grayzone, when you know nobody will read it?