Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 4

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Grant

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South Africa was proposing to mitigate, I am not sure where we are going to find a Russian/Ukranian speaking Tutu so that the guys don't donder each other again.
we have some capable people - although not in parliament.
perhaps South Africa & New Zealand.

many South African's may dismiss our ability, but we emerged from years of deadly conflict.
despite his mistakes, Thabo Mbeki is a skilled statesman, his brother Moeletsi is cut from the same cloth
 

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The creatures will be dead in 1000 years time. I reckon they will be dead in about 20-50 years, depending on their genetic makeup. Large animals tend to live longer, but certainly not 1000 years.

Their genetic makeup and the changes live on. That's why they can say it was your great granny if they find her bones, even if you never met. Do you understand genetics? Do you think the genes that make up the human genome which is 2 million years old are still there? Start changing those and see what happens.
 

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Nico: The risk of low level radiation is insignificant.

Debris: so why aren't you living there?

So ****ing dumb!

Hey, According to Nico, he says radiation is harmless. So I challenged him to live on the biggest nuclear dump to prove it. Now I'm the dumb one? Why don't you join him?
 

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The creatures will be dead in 1000 years time. I reckon they will be dead in about 20-50 years, depending on their genetic makeup. Large animals tend to live longer, but certainly not 1000 years.

The creature will be dead. The changed gene will be doing its thing in all future generations...
 

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Anyone who has worked with an aptitude tests knows what an IQ test is like. It's not that complicated to pass. It's more difficult to do really well.

for example questions, it's more or less what any IQ test does.


You might put the smartest guy to work in military intelligence, but as for cannon fodder, you don't care who they are. Who gets to die first is an evolutionary selection process.

You're really trying to portray military men as if they are on some kind of pedestal. Sorry to burst that bubble, but they just aren't. Having served in a military does not make you part of a special caste with the only privilege to talk about the military.
I told you before I have worked with a military (in particular on nuclear matters). That department tends to be bright for obvious reasons, the rest of the army always struck me as no more intelligent than a few rugby players.

The point I am making though is that the military targets young men because they are unwise, not because they are stupid. They don't understand yet how the media and politicians manipulate them. How armies serve geopolitical interests etc

You've never been in any military Nico nor completed any military recruitment tests. You have no clue about what you're on about..

Working next to a soldier does not mean you worked with the military. You worked next to a military member. You were never attested and had not passed the stringent recruitment tests.
 

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Anyone who has worked with an aptitude tests knows what an IQ test is like. It's not that complicated to pass. It's more difficult to do really well.

for example questions, it's more or less what any IQ test does.


You might put the smartest guy to work in military intelligence, but as for cannon fodder, you don't care who they are. Who gets to die first is an evolutionary selection process.

You're really trying to portray military men as if they are on some kind of pedestal. Sorry to burst that bubble, but they just aren't. Having served in a military does not make you part of a special caste with the only privilege to talk about the military.
I told you before I have worked with a military (in particular on nuclear matters). That department tends to be bright for obvious reasons, the rest of the army always struck me as no more intelligent than a few rugby players.

The point I am making though is that the military targets young men because they are unwise, not because they are stupid. They don't understand yet how the media and politicians manipulate them. How armies serve geopolitical interests etc

Once again Nico proves he has no clue of the military.
 

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Dawn of War​

Zelensky is meeting Guterres and Erdogan in Lviv tomorrow. Arestovych believes this meeting is about grain.

Zelensky’s article in the Washington post. Arestovych believes that much of the criticism about Zelensky not reacting to warnings is an example of the benefit of hindsight. Arestovych was not in the administration for the 1 and a half months leading up to the war.

Arestovych says that the Kherson direction was identified as the most dangerous direction pre war and exercises were carried out there, but a combination of favourable open terrain for attacking and “mass betrayal” of government officials in that area led to what happened. However there were battles, Arestovych mentions the 59th motorised brigade. A whole battalion of Ukrainian marines was fully destroyed in Chonhar, and infamously a marine blew himself up along with a bridge in Henichensk, but the superiority of Russian forces was “overwhelming”, and the open steppe gave them an advantage. Arestovych denies that there was a rout and claims that intense battles took place. Arestovych says that he has “personal questions” about the handling of the group of Russian forces that went east to Mariupol from Crimea but he will not disclose these.

Arestovych says that the Ukrainian administration knew about the invasion plans but simply could not believe it because it was “insane” to attack on 9 directions at once, and this assessment has proven to be correct. Arestovych says that if the Russians only attacked in the east, they could have encircled and destroyed the whole grouping of Ukrainian troops there (50-60k dead captured and wounded).

Discussion of pre-war preparations in Ukraine​

As well as this, no meaningful western help would have arrived because this would have simply been a continuation of the Donbass conflict. Arestovych says that the Ukrainian ministry of defence begged for weapons from the west since late October, but in late November the US would not even give Ukraine Stinger MANPADS. Arestovych said that a Ukrainian government representative visiting Washington on the 22nd of February was “given farewells as if he was a terminally ill patient”, and that the US fully believed that Ukraine would fall. The estimate was that resistance would cease in Ukraine after 72 hours. Arestovych says that yes, the Americans warned us, but instead of giving us any form of aid, economic or military, they gave us 72 hours. The Europeans were even worse, they did not even say “farewell” as the Americans did.

According to Arestovych, the date of invasion was changed 5 times in a time frame of 2 months. Arestovych says that if Ukraine reacted and carried out a mobilisation, training and spent lots of money doing this, then when an invasion would not have taken place, Zelensky would have been ridiculed and people would have stopped believing in the possibility of a war. Arestovych notes the economic cost of mobilisation and war, and says that the war is costing Ukraine $9 billion a month. If Ukraine would have mobilised into a defensive posture, the Russians would have simply waited for a more opportune time to attack. Arestovych also mentions COVID as a factor against staying mobilised for a prolonged period of time. Eventually, some time in mid-April, Ukraine simply could not financially and physically stay mobilised any longer, and the Russians would have struck when the reservists were disbanded and on their way back to their homes. Some people who believed that there would be a war would run to Europe and this would create transport and political chaos.

Arestovych says that many people, both in the police, army and civilian did not believe that a victory was possible, even if they claim now that it was always inevitable. However on the whole, the Ukrainian army performed a “miracle” and largely held its positions and inflicted casualties.

Arestovych admits that the Ukrainian side made mistakes. He says that he believes that more could have been done from a military perspective. More could have been done to prepare for this scenario of invasion. However, there were preparations, as a country who did not prepare for this war would not have successfully held out for 6 months. Only experts with education and experience can accurately say what should have been done, and most complainers right now are most definitely not in this camp. Therefore, Arestovych says to people who complain about these things: trust the experts. After the war commissions will be formed and the lessons will be drawn. the conclusions they draw may be very uncomfortable for the current government.

Vive la résistance​

Arestovych reveals that there were C&C exercises before the invasion which were actually hidden preparation for it. He also says that the Russian government asked for negotiations on the evening of the 24th because the Ukrainian air force had avoided destruction except in 2 or places. He also says the commander in chief of the UAF, Gen. Zaluzhnyi, “a true military man”, would have prepared for war even if he was forbidden from doing so. But he was not forbidden, and instructions were given, and they were carried out.

The people will get to show their position after the war using the ballot box, but right now the public needs to consolidate around the political leadership. The Russian military-political leadership dreams of an internal loss of trust in the Ukrainian political system.

Arestovych believes that President Zelenskyi and military political leadership balanced between full mobilisation and a subsequent total loss of trust, versus not undertaking any preparations for war well. He thinks that they should have done slightly more military preparation, however he admits to personally not having access to 100% of the information, and this information could reveal that the administration was right to take the steps it did. A post war commission will determine who was right, and the people can then make their decision based on this.

Anyone who complains right now is obstructing the war effort and is either an enemy or acting like the enemy.
 
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in my opinion - the Russian govt needs to remove Putin.
Putin is becoming Russia's worst enemy.

as this drags on, eu countries continue to wean themselves off Russia's gas and oil - a year down the line this will have severe consequences on Russia's economy, and it's people.
all the while, Russia becomes increasingly isolated - thanks to the actions of one man.

the grain thing, and now Putin allowing inspectors into the nuclear facility are both concessions offered up by Russia. should Ukraine be found guilty of accusations leveled against it by Russia (in terms of the nuclear facility), this could pave the way for Russia making an exit on a high road
Spot on.
 

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Russia knows where the border is. That's their way out of this mess.
This is bs and anyone with half a brain knows it. Niether donbass nor crimea will submit to a nationalist western ukraine regime without a fight. The only question is who dies...donbass and crimea or ukraine.
 

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Ukraine staged the massacre in Bucha and Mariopul and then went on to blame Russia for it.
The Ukrainian far right slaughtered innocent people in the Maidan streets in 2014 and then went on to blame their government for it.

False flag operations are part of modern warfare. It was used in Syria and it is used in Ukraine.

Ukraine has also the incentive to draw NATO further into this war, the initially called for a No Fly Zone, now they want to force countries into invoking article 4.
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You've never been in any military Nico nor completed any military recruitment tests. You have no clue about what you're on about..

Working next to a soldier does not mean you worked with the military. You worked next to a military member. You were never attested and had not passed the stringent recruitment tests.
For the British Army they take you if you are a 30 percenter. Well... actually a 32 or so percenter to be more accurate. That's for general recruitment so for conscription the standards would probably be lower.
 
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