Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[Cosmik Debris]

Nobody wants to negotiate with Putin - fair enough. Why nobody at all is calling for ceasefire is beyond me.
Regardless of what lies ahead, sometimes one just needs to break up the fight and cool heads.

The ceasefire happens immediately after the Russians withdraw from Ukraine. The ball is in their court.

 

[Sneeky]

In a perfect world I will accept a deal whereby all the billionaires, politicians and media people that support this war are locked up in a room and forced to fight to the death. The last man standing gets shot in the head. But hey, anything less to stop the war will be fine.

You do that. Just remember this post:

Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

Yeah I'm a decent human being as long as I agree with you. Thank you for your approval :thumbsup: Agree that Russia massacring Ukrainian civilians is not OK? Yeah.

mybroadband.co.za

Everything subsequent to your post you list, you are posting with commentary as though it is fact, also without a link.

Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

Yeah I'm a decent human being as long as I agree with you. Thank you for your approval :thumbsup: Agree that Russia massacring Ukrainian civilians is not OK? Yeah.

mybroadband.co.za

So is that the report that Rand says is fake?

 

[MunosMachos]

Just like the claimed fake Rand document, Michael Hudson got it right before the war broke out:

America Defeats Germany for the Third Time in a Century

michael-hudson.com

The rentier “blob’s” expected consequences of the New Cold War​

As President Biden explained, the current U.S.-orchestrated military escalation (“Prodding the Bear”) is not really about Ukraine. Biden promised at the outset that no U.S. troops would be involved. But he has been demanding for over a year that Germany prevent the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from supplying its industry and housing with low-priced gas and turn to the much higher-priced U.S. suppliers.

U.S. officials first tried to stop construction of the pipeline from being completed. Firms aiding in its construction were sanctioned, but finally Russia itself completed the pipeline. U.S. pressure then turned on the traditionally pliant German politicians, claiming that Germany and the rest of Europe faced a National Security threat from Russia turning off the gas, presumably to extract some political or economic concessions. No specific Russian demands could be thought up, and so their nature was left obscure and blob-like. Germany refused to authorize Nord Stream 2 from officially going into operation.

A major aim of today’s New Cold War is to monopolize the market for U.S. shipments of liquified natural gas (LNG). Already under Donald Trump’s administration, Angela Merkel was bullied into promising to spend $1 billion building new port facilities for U.S. tanker ships to unload natural gas for German use. The Democratic election victory in November 2020, followed by Ms. Merkel’s retirement from Germany’s political scene, led to cancellation of this port investment. This left Germany without much alternative to importing Russian gas to heat its homes, power its electric utilities, and to provide raw material for its fertilizer industry and hence the maintenance of its farm productivity.

So the most pressing U.S. strategic aim of NATO confrontation with Russia is soaring oil and gas prices, above all to the detriment of Germany. In addition to creating profits and stock-market gains for U.S. oil companies, higher energy prices will take much of the steam out of the German economy. Thus looms the third time in a century that the United States will have defeated Germany – each time increasing its control over a German economy increasingly dependent on the United States for imports and policy leadership, with NATO being the effective check against any domestic nationalist resistance.

 

[wingnut771]

In a perfect world I will accept a deal whereby all the billionaires, politicians and media people that support this war are locked up in a room and forced to fight to the death. The last man standing gets shot in the head. But hey, anything less to stop the war will be fine.

You do that. Just remember this post:

Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

Yeah I'm a decent human being as long as I agree with you. Thank you for your approval :thumbsup: Agree that Russia massacring Ukrainian civilians is not OK? Yeah.

mybroadband.co.za

Russia could just return what they stole then leave and go home then the "war" would be over.

 

[MunosMachos]

Everything subsequent to your post you list, you are posting with commentary as though it is fact, also without a link.

Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

Yeah I'm a decent human being as long as I agree with you. Thank you for your approval :thumbsup: Agree that Russia massacring Ukrainian civilians is not OK? Yeah.

mybroadband.co.za

So is that the report that Rand says is fake?

I am giving commentary on a document I provided a link to. While I assume it is fake (I don't know if it is or not), the information appears to be descriptive and predictive of actual events.

 

[tetrasect]

Nobody wants to negotiate with Putin - fair enough. Why nobody at all is calling for ceasefire is beyond me.
Regardless of what lies ahead, sometimes one just needs to break up the fight and cool heads.

This is one of the more clueless things you have said in a while.

Putin will not cease fire. That's the fcking problem.

I do agree that the UN should send a peacekeeping force into Ukraine to help them defend their borders from the invading Russians though.

 

[WollieVerstege]

Is that a power station? Looks like that was the target, both "precision" missiles missed.

Or could be ECM/EW pushing the missiles of course.
Unfortunate reality of modern warfare.

 

[Sneeky]

Just like the claimed fake Rand document, Michael Hudson got it right before the war broke out:

America Defeats Germany for the Third Time in a Century

michael-hudson.com

I am giving commentary on a document I provided a link to. While assume it is fake (I don't know if it is or not), the information appears to be descriptive and predictive of actual events.

Then quote Michael Hudsons view or opinion piece and let the readers decide, but quoting something that is potentially fake news as fact without saying as much is not the way to go.

 

[MunosMachos]

Russia could just return what they stole then leave and go home then the "war" would be over.

That won't solve their issues with NATO expanding eastward. The Russian speaking Ukrainians that were being killed will be left undefended.
That deal will only happen if USA can promise zero interference in Ukrainian affairs and Ukraine never join the EU or NATO. Won't happen.

 

[wingnut771]

This is one of the more clueless things you have said in a while.

Putin will not cease fire. That's the fcking problem.

I do agree that the UN should send a peacekeeping force into Ukraine to help them defend their borders from the invading Russians though.

They can't, Russia's veto says no.

 

[HideInLight]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1566429878458761221

Look what Russia did when it spotted a vehicle entering a giant mall facility. In Ukraine's city.
Why was Russia "Justified" in their attack, but not Ukraine? If it even was Ukraine.

 

[wingnut771]

Or could be ECM/EW pushing the missiles of course.
Unfortunate reality of modern warfare.

?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

I do agree that the UN should send a peacekeeping force

jesus do we just list wishes here without a second's thought about the practicality of things?!?

the UN can only intervene with a unanimous security council decision
Russia has permanent veto rights on the security council

... connect the dots for once

 

[wingnut771]

That won't solve their issues with NATO expanding eastward. The Russian speaking Ukrainians that were being killed will be left undefended.
That deal will only happen if USA can promise zero interference in Ukrainian affairs and Ukraine never join the EU or NATO. Won't happen.

Where is NATO expanding eastwards?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Just like the claimed fake Rand document, Michael Hudson got it right before the war broke out:

America Defeats Germany for the Third Time in a Century

michael-hudson.com

Anti establishment economics professor commenting on geopolitics. Pinch of salt. Where do you pull these obscure commentators out of?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

That won't solve their issues with NATO expanding eastward. The Russian speaking Ukrainians that were being killed will be left undefended.
That deal will only happen if USA can promise zero interference in Ukrainian affairs and Ukraine never join the EU or NATO. Won't happen.

not to mention USA's promises aren't worth shyte in any event

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Where is NATO expanding eastwards?

anything east of Berlin was never in NATO at the time of the promise

are you under the mistaken illusion that there aren't any NATO members east of Berlin today?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

That won't solve their issues with NATO expanding eastward. The Russian speaking Ukrainians that were being killed will be left undefended.
That deal will only happen if USA can promise zero interference in Ukrainian affairs and Ukraine never join the EU or NATO. Won't happen.

NATO cannot expand anywhere. It has to be invited by the government of a country with an application to join NATO. NATO is not a political entity.

 

[MunosMachos]

Where is NATO expanding eastwards?

Putin at one point asked to join NATO. NATO needs a big enemy to remain relevant. So naturally NATO declined.

 

[DreamKing]

Where is NATO expanding eastwards?

How NATO Expanded Eastwards [Infographic]

As Russian troops gather on the Ukraine border, European armed forces get into position and high-ranking politicians—including U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken—visit the region, fears of a new major conflict arising in Europe are abound.

www.forbes.com