Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[Cosmik Debris]

jesus do we just list wishes here without a second's thought about the practicality of things?!?

the UN can only intervene with a unanimous security council decision
Russia has permanent veto rights on the security council

... connect the dots for once

Russia had a permanent vote as the USSR. It should have lost that vote with the collapse of the USSR. So Russia is prolonging the war then?

 

[wingnut771]

anything east of Berlin was never in NATO at the time of the promise

are you under the mistaken illusion that there aren't any NATO members east of Berlin today?

Did NATO hold a gun to their heads and force them to join or did those countries ask to join?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

not to mention USA's promises aren't worth shyte in any event

Most of the world trusts the USA far more than they trust Russia.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

anything east of Berlin was never in NATO at the time of the promise

are you under the mistaken illusion that there aren't any NATO members east of Berlin today?

So, independent countries aren't free to join any organisations Russia doesn't like?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Russia had a permanent vote as the USSR. It should have lost that vote with the collapse of the USSR. So Russia is prolonging the war then?

bruh I don't even know what you're on about anymore

I've had like 15 plus notifications today of you responding to my posts in this thread alone, that's borderline obsession that does not need any response

I promise you I don't have you on ignore, but you are coming across as quite unhinged fwiw

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So, independent countries aren't free to join any organisations Russia doesn't like?

not if the organisation itself made a commitment to the contrary, period

 

[Cosmik Debris]

How NATO Expanded Eastwards [Infographic]

As Russian troops gather on the Ukraine border, European armed forces get into position and high-ranking politicians—including U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken—visit the region, fears of a new major conflict arising in Europe are abound.

www.forbes.com

All Invited NATO and completed an application to join.

 

[tetrasect]

I am giving commentary on a document I provided a link to. While assume it is fake (I don't know if it is or not), the information appears to be descriptive and predictive of actual events.

Care to comment on this article?

The information appears to be descriptive of actual events.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Most of the world trusts the USA far more than they trust Russia.

by population count more people chose to be on the fence or stand with Russia when it came to UN votes on condemning Russia's actions

so no, most of the world does not trust USA more

 

[Cosmik Debris]

bruh I don't even know what you're on about anymore

I've had like 15 plus notifications today of you responding to my posts in this thread alone, that's borderline obsession that does not need any response

I promise you I don't have you on ignore, but you are coming across as quite unhinged fwiw

Actually it's debunking your BS. Speaking about unhinged and emojis...

 

[tetrasect]

They can't, Russia's veto says no.

Only on the security council. Can't they do that in general assembly?

 

[DreamKing]

Did NATO hold a gun to their heads and force them to join or did those countries ask to join?

same logic to those 4 regions joined russia last week ............

did russia hold a gun to their heads and force them to join russia or did those regions ask to join?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Only on the security council. Can't they do that in general assembly?

no, UN military intervention can only come from the security council

 

[Cosmik Debris]

not if the organisation itself made a commitment to the contrary, period

NATO cannot decline any application. That's up to the governments of the countries that make up NATO. Do you understand how this works?

 

[buka001]

not if the organisation itself made a commitment to the contrary, period

What rule is that?

Can you quote the Article in their constitution that says that?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

by population count more people chose to be on the fence or stand with Russia when it came to UN votes on condemning Russia's actions

so no, most of the world does not trust USA more

They trust Russia far less as witnessed by standing with the US on sanctions against Russia.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

NATO cannot decline any application. That's up to the governments of the countries that make up NATO. Do you understand how this works?

are you fahking high?!?

NATO declined Ukraine's application just last week, they decline stuff all the time

only when it suits their agenda do they even go to the ratification process at all

at least check your facts before you fly off a handle next time

 

[buka001]

no, UN military intervention can only come from the security council

Which is what happened in the Yugoslavia wars and NATO stepped in to enact those resolutions.

 

[buka001]

same logic to those 4 regions joined russia last week ............

did russia hold a gun to their heads and force them to join russia or did those regions ask to join?

Yes Russia did.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What rule is that?

Can you quote the Article in their constitution that says that?

WTF?

get a grip nuclear warmongering supporter

you don't need a constitution or articles to describe that when you make a commitment you ought to stick to it

f-me, can I please buy your house? I'll sign the offer to purchase and not pay a cent then move in

if you can't show the constitution or articles that say that's not okay the house is mine