Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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rietrot

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Russians celebrated the attacks on civilians in Ukraine.
Meh. You were celebrating the killing of civilians and the bombing of an civilian bridge just a few days ago.

Ukrain has killed countless civilians when they shell cities in Dunbass.

Funny how people complain when Russia finally fights back. (Even though still very limited.)
 

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Meh. You were celebrating the killing of civilians and the bombing of an civilian bridge just a few days ago.

Ukrain has killed countless civilians when they shell cities in Dunbass.

Funny how people complain when Russia finally fights back. (Even though still very limited.)
Are these civilian vehicles on the bridge?
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Are these civilian vehicles on the bridge?
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I'm not having this silly argument with you. There's no way you can justify the ISIS style car bomb.

I just pointed out that people only selectively care about civilians when it is convenient.
 

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I'm not having this silly argument with you. There's no way you can justify the ISIS style car bomb.

I just pointed out that people only selectively care about civilians when it is convenient.
Your attempt to both sides this is laughable, considering how Ukraine attacked the bridge late at night when traffic was at a minimum, versus Russia attacking Kyiv at rush hour, with multiple cruise missiles that targeted civilian sites directly.
 

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They already are facing most of NATO. Just not the full airforce. I highly doubt Western countries have the apatite to see their airplanes be blown out of the sky.

They're facing NATOs excess arms used by the Ukraine military.
NATO itself has millions of well rested combat ready troops and tonnes of arms including ships, tanks, planes etc. that are waiting just behind border lines ready for their orders.
Russias war with Ukraine has already gone on too long, NATO has had way too much time to manufacture, train and collaborate and is why they supporting Ukraine the longer this drags on the weaker Russia gets and the stronger NATO does.
NATO is acting out The Art of War I guess.
 

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No one had strong feelings about Russia and Russians before they invaded Ukraine

Other than the US aristocracy fabricating an entire story about how the Russians are to blame for the election of Trump.
 

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Your attempt to both sides this is laughable, considering how Ukraine attacked the bridge late at night when traffic was at a minimum, versus Russia attacking Kyiv at rush hour, with multiple cruise missiles that targeted civilian sites directly.
2 maybe 3 civilians deaths are still civilian deaths. The terrorist nature of the attack is particularly disgusting.
 

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2 maybe 3 civilians deaths are still civilian deaths. The terrorist nature of the attack is particularly disgusting.
The bridge was a legitimate military target, civilian deaths should always be avoided where possible but if you take the position that you can never put civilians in danger during war you play into the hands of your foe who could simply protect any military asset by placing civilians near it.

Tell me how the child's playground in Kyiv was a legitimate military target?
 

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They're facing NATOs excess arms used by the Ukraine military.
NATO itself has millions of well rested combat ready troops and tonnes of arms including ships, tanks, planes etc. that are waiting just behind border lines ready for their orders.
Russias war with Ukraine has already gone on too long, NATO has had way too much time to manufacture, train and collaborate and is why they supporting Ukraine the longer this drags on the weaker Russia gets and the stronger NATO does.
NATO is acting out The Art of War I guess.
I disagree with your assessment.

Europe was strongest before the war, (which was already in some trouble due to Covid nonsense, now affecting the British bond market for example). they are now run by incompetent green party idiots wanting to de-industrialise their own countries and there's no easy way out of that downward spiral. Good luck fighting a serious conflict with that.

Escalating to that point would also be stupid. The last Ukrainian and some special operators of other countries will be thrown at Russia. But it is unlikely that it would escalates beyond that.
 

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The bridge was a legitimate military target, civilian deaths should always be avoided where possible but if you take the position that you can never put civilians in danger during war you play into the hands of your foe who could simply protect any military asset by placing civilians near it.

Tell me how the child's playground in Kyiv was a legitimate military target?
Russia says exactly the same about everything they bombed just because you see some swings in the background doesn't make it so.

Neither of us know the planned projectory of any particular missile. Trying to claim Russia actually targeted a playground is silly
 

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Russia says exactly the same about everything they bombed just because you see some swings in the background doesn't make it so.
And you believe them? The bridge is clearly a militry target, what was the military target there where attacking in the middle of Kyiv, a city hundreds of miles behind the front lines of this conflict?
 

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Nope. All pipelines are out of action and NS2 is incomplete anyway. Unless you have gone down and can say otherwise.
Are you senile?

NS2 was completed in December 2021 and was awaiting licensing. It was already filled with gas ready to deliver, hence the leaks.

NS2 B pipe is INTACT.
 

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And you believe them? The bridge is clearly a militry target, what was the military target there where attacking in the middle of Kyiv, a city hundreds of miles behind the front lines of this conflict?
You are contradicting yourself is you don't believe anything away from the front line could be a military target. I suggest you get on Google maps and look at were the bridge is.

We are not having a good faith discussion, but if we were to look at it honestly I would suggest a bit of paving in a park was not the intended target. The playground in the back is intact. So either Russia missed or that's one of the missiles that was shot down by Ukraine and landed in a random spot
 

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Russia says exactly the same about everything they bombed just because you see some swings in the background doesn't make it so.

Neither of us know the planned projectory of any particular missile. Trying to claim Russia actually targeted a playground is silly
Russia says they hit all targets that they targeted. So they actually did target the playground.
 
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