Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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Cosmik Debris

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You are contradicting yourself is you don't believe anything away from the front line could be a military target. I suggest you get on Google maps and look at were the bridge is.

We are not having a good faith discussion, but if we were to look at it honestly I would suggest a bit of paving in a park was not the intended target. The playground in the back is intact. So either Russia missed or that's one of the missiles that was shot down by Ukraine and landed in a random spot

It's called a strategic military target. Just like the refinery at Malongo in Cabinda far from any front lines was a strategic military target for the SADF as it supplied the fuel for the Soviet and Cuban military offensive in Angola. Suggest you learn a bit about what makes a target strategic. No child's playground is a strategic target.
 

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@hexagon - free dollars to expand their military complex via having dropped the gold standard and having the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Still raking it in through NATO and the selling of weapons. Europe and the U.K hardly having any effective armies holds them hostage to the U.S which has the military strength. Who is the mole wrecking the garden? The U.S and its controller in Tel Aviv.
 

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Yesterday we were discussing the essence of what a military target is and is not. Some here warned that if you declare a bridge as a military target simply because it was used by the army, you can turn anything into one by virtue of army using it.
And here we are I'm afraid.

Where Ua attack on civilian infrastructure (with some casualties) was celebrated, all of a sudden the same people are seething.
Edit: @rietrot already discussed at length

The Kerch bridge is the only bridge that can be used for military supplies to Crimea and it was being used for that. Which makes it a strategic target. A single tank in a year over a bridge will not make it a strategic target entailing a meticulously planned, dangerous and expensive operation to put it out of action. Stop being ridiculous.
 

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What is this nonsense form of argumentation? Believe Russia only when it suits you and you can spin it. Lol.

Ukraine says some missiles were shot down, not all missiles hit the target. I doubt the numbers from both sides, but not their statements completely.
Your logic is incorrect. Multiple missile were fired at each target. One missing does not mean the target wasn't hit.

Another own goal for Russia. Now the US is going to provide advanced air defence systems to Ukraine. Russia just keeps shooting itself in its foot. Remember when Patriot missiles were provided to Israel when Saddam Hussein targeted Israeli cities with Scud missiles?
 

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Of course the whole reason the bridge attack is such a big deal all round is because we have seen what the Ukranian Army do to soften their targets.

Anyway, Crimea Is coming home soon./
 

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Working class people standing together to bring stupid politicians to their senses does work:


This is bad news for the corrupt Eurocrats:

Oh, now that their economy is in the crapper they want to suddenly deliver gas. No thanks, they'll cut it off again when they want.
 

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Oh, now that their economy is in the crapper they want to suddenly deliver gas. No thanks, they'll cut it off again when they want.
Italy's economy is also in the toilet (well more in the toilet than usual). What do you expect Italy to do?
 

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You act like this is something unprecedented in the history of War. Control of bridges across major rivers has always been hugely strategic in war. Take World War 2 as an example. Bridges that allowed you access needed to be captured, and bridges that helped the enemy were blown up.

Another famous battle for a bridge, the Arnhem bridge:

Farthest north, the British 1st Airborne Division landed at Arnhem to capture bridges across the Nederrijn (Lower Rhine), supported by men of the Glider Pilot Regiment and the 1st Polish Parachute Brigade. The British XXX Corps were expected to reach the British airborne forces in two to three days.


Caesar also recognised the strategic military value of bridges:

He was only in the area for 18 days and without any major battle he returned to Gaul and cut the bridge down. The second bridge. Two years later, close to the site of the first bridge, possibly at today's Urmitz (near Neuwied), Caesar erected a second bridge, built "in a few days", as described in Book 6 (Liber VI). His expeditionary forces raided the countryside, but did not encounter significant opposition as the Suebi retreated.

 

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This particular case there is a large administrative/government building (don't know what it actually is)off to the left of the playground obviously excluded in some propaganda. Additional to scenarios I already outlined it could also be that that was the target and Russia is claiming hitting the sidewalk outside the building, possibly breaking a few windows as a successful strike.

You've obviously never seen the damage caused by a missile strike...
 

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All this nonsense about referring to other relevant topics in history as being what-aboutism. What a lot of cwap as bugs bunny would say. (or is that Elmer Fudd?)
 

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Are you senile?

NS2 was completed in December 2021 and was awaiting licensing. It was already filled with gas ready to deliver, hence the leaks.

NS2 B pipe is INTACT.
The concept of "1 out of 4 is undamaged, in tact and not leaking" appear to have disappeared with age.
 
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