Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[Cosmik Debris]

Are you senile?

NS2 was completed in December 2021 and was awaiting licensing. It was already filled with gas ready to deliver, hence the leaks.

NS2 B pipe is INTACT.

Intact pipes leak then?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You are contradicting yourself is you don't believe anything away from the front line could be a military target. I suggest you get on Google maps and look at were the bridge is.

We are not having a good faith discussion, but if we were to look at it honestly I would suggest a bit of paving in a park was not the intended target. The playground in the back is intact. So either Russia missed or that's one of the missiles that was shot down by Ukraine and landed in a random spot

It's called a strategic military target. Just like the refinery at Malongo in Cabinda far from any front lines was a strategic military target for the SADF as it supplied the fuel for the Soviet and Cuban military offensive in Angola. Suggest you learn a bit about what makes a target strategic. No child's playground is a strategic target.

 

[LetsDance]

@hexagon - free dollars to expand their military complex via having dropped the gold standard and having the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Still raking it in through NATO and the selling of weapons. Europe and the U.K hardly having any effective armies holds them hostage to the U.S which has the military strength. Who is the mole wrecking the garden? The U.S and its controller in Tel Aviv.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Yesterday we were discussing the essence of what a military target is and is not. Some here warned that if you declare a bridge as a military target simply because it was used by the army, you can turn anything into one by virtue of army using it.
And here we are I'm afraid.

Where Ua attack on civilian infrastructure (with some casualties) was celebrated, all of a sudden the same people are seething.
Edit: @rietrot already discussed at length

The Kerch bridge is the only bridge that can be used for military supplies to Crimea and it was being used for that. Which makes it a strategic target. A single tank in a year over a bridge will not make it a strategic target entailing a meticulously planned, dangerous and expensive operation to put it out of action. Stop being ridiculous.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

What is this nonsense form of argumentation? Believe Russia only when it suits you and you can spin it. Lol.

Ukraine says some missiles were shot down, not all missiles hit the target. I doubt the numbers from both sides, but not their statements completely.
Your logic is incorrect. Multiple missile were fired at each target. One missing does not mean the target wasn't hit.

Another own goal for Russia. Now the US is going to provide advanced air defence systems to Ukraine. Russia just keeps shooting itself in its foot. Remember when Patriot missiles were provided to Israel when Saddam Hussein targeted Israeli cities with Scud missiles?

 

[AstroTurf]

Of course the whole reason the bridge attack is such a big deal all round is because we have seen what the Ukranian Army do to soften their targets.

Anyway, Crimea Is coming home soon./

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Working class people standing together to bring stupid politicians to their senses does work:

Russia Resumes Gas Deliveries to Italy

Russian gas giant Gazprom and its main Italian buyer, Eni, said a bureaucratic hurdle with Austrian authorities that had blocked supplies since Saturday had been resolved.

www.wsj.com

This is bad news for the corrupt Eurocrats:

Russia wants to send gas to Europe through surviving Nord Stream-2 line

Moscow is allegedly ready to supply gas to Europe along the surviving line of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, according to Russian Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak, Russian financial newspaper Kommersant reported on Oct. 6.

news.yahoo.com

Oh, now that their economy is in the crapper they want to suddenly deliver gas. No thanks, they'll cut it off again when they want.

 

[BBSA]

I don't bitch, I only have high minded intellectual debates.

Trolling would be a more accurate description.

 

[buka001]

I'm trying to count those on their actual border...
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[konfab]

Oh, now that their economy is in the crapper they want to suddenly deliver gas. No thanks, they'll cut it off again when they want.

Italy's economy is also in the toilet (well more in the toilet than usual). What do you expect Italy to do?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You act like this is something unprecedented in the history of War. Control of bridges across major rivers has always been hugely strategic in war. Take World War 2 as an example. Bridges that allowed you access needed to be captured, and bridges that helped the enemy were blown up.

Another famous battle for a bridge, the Arnhem bridge:

Farthest north, the British 1st Airborne Division landed at Arnhem to capture bridges across the Nederrijn (Lower Rhine), supported by men of the Glider Pilot Regiment and the 1st Polish Parachute Brigade. The British XXX Corps were expected to reach the British airborne forces in two to three days.

Battle of Arnhem - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Caesar also recognised the strategic military value of bridges:

He was only in the area for 18 days and without any major battle he returned to Gaul and cut the bridge down. The second bridge. Two years later, close to the site of the first bridge, possibly at today's Urmitz (near Neuwied), Caesar erected a second bridge, built "in a few days", as described in Book 6 (Liber VI). His expeditionary forces raided the countryside, but did not encounter significant opposition as the Suebi retreated.

Caesar's Rhine bridges - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[HideInLight]

I'm trying to count those on their actual border...
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Might as well be the China list as well.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

With the ongoing destruction of the German economy due to the sanctions

Can you post anything about the destruction of the Russian economy due to sanctions?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

This particular case there is a large administrative/government building (don't know what it actually is)off to the left of the playground obviously excluded in some propaganda. Additional to scenarios I already outlined it could also be that that was the target and Russia is claiming hitting the sidewalk outside the building, possibly breaking a few windows as a successful strike.

You've obviously never seen the damage caused by a missile strike...

 

[konfab]

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What is wrong with socialism? I thought that once all the wealth was redistributed by the state to get rid of economic inequality there would be no problems?

 

[hexagon]

No. There's no what-aboutism whatsoever when Russia is fighting for Russian speakers at the actual Russian border (following a coup, with foreign arms pouring in en masse).This is NOT a war of adventure.

 

[LetsDance]

All this nonsense about referring to other relevant topics in history as being what-aboutism. What a lot of cwap as bugs bunny would say. (or is that Elmer Fudd?)

 

[MiW]

#LeaveRussia

#LeaveRussia: The List Of International Companies That Continue To Do Business In Russia

leave-russia.org

 

[ToxicBunny]

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Seems as if the Soviet propagandists are still training the Russian ones since they sing from the same hymn book.

 

[MunosMachos]

Are you senile?

NS2 was completed in December 2021 and was awaiting licensing. It was already filled with gas ready to deliver, hence the leaks.

NS2 B pipe is INTACT.

The concept of "1 out of 4 is undamaged, in tact and not leaking" appear to have disappeared with age.