Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[konfab]

What is wrong with socialism? I thought that once all the wealth was redistributed by the state to get rid of economic inequality there would be no problems?

To go back on topic, there isn't anything wrong with discussing the actions of all parties objectively. Doing this does not make one a shill of any specific party. The simple cure to whataboutism is to make sure you can recognise your own faults and the degree to which they apply.

So for example, the tactic that the soviets used was to point out the inequalities of black citizens of the US. That was sort of true, but it was a half truth, because back then as it is now, black people in the US are richer per capita than any other black people on the planet (well ANC cadres aside). Ego the systems in the US are not as bad as what the Russians were claiming.

 

[MunosMachos]

All this nonsense about referring to other relevant topics in history as being what-aboutism. What a lot of cwap as bugs bunny would say. (or is that Elmer Fudd?)

It is a ploy by USA propagandists. The rest of the world basically despise US hegemony, interference, invasions, coercive diplomacy etc. Now they can at least go "but what about Russia, look at them, focus on them rather". Not really working for them though.

 

[Dave]

Jeez, but this thread is crawling with crud today...

 

[AstroTurf]

#LeaveRussia

#LeaveRussia: The List Of International Companies That Continue To Do Business In Russia

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Only Naspers?

I am surprised.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I don't bitch, I only have high minded biased intellectual debates.

Fixed

 

[ToxicBunny]

It is a ploy by USA propagandists. The rest of the world basically despise US hegemony, interference, invasions, coercive diplomacy etc. Now they can at least go "but what about Russia, look at them, focus on them rather". Not really working for them though.

The rest of the world despise US hegemony? Really, on what do you base that absolutely retarded assertion?

 

[buka001]

No. There's no what-aboutism whatsoever when Russia is fighting for Russian speakers at the actual Russian border (following a coup, with foreign arms pouring in en masse).This is NOT a war of adventure.

 

[ForceFate]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1579537208562036741

Russians celebrated the attacks on civilians in Ukraine.

Evil

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I said it at the beginning of part 1 of this saga - NATO was not meant to be a way of countries not having to bother having their own armies sufficient in itself.

All countries that belong to NATO have self sufficient armies. NATO is an alliance which is not independent of the governments of those countries.

I read somewhere that the U.K has one military brigade or battalion that is combat ready.

Rubbish. UK regiments take it in turns to be at alert level. The reason there were tanks at Heathrow airport during a terror threat as the Household Cavalry was on alert at the time and they are an armoured regiment.

Other European countries the same thing.

You know the planning and readiness state of all European countries? How?

 

[ToxicBunny]

No. There's no what-aboutism whatsoever when Russia is fighting for Russian speakers at the actual Russian border (following a coup, with foreign arms pouring in en masse).This is NOT a war of adventure.

Fsck me sideways, this level of "Full Retard" gives NBFTL a bloody good run for his money.

 

[buka001]

All this nonsense about referring to other relevant topics in history as being what-aboutism. What a lot of cwap as bugs bunny would say. (or is that Elmer Fudd?)

Cool, shall we also discuss this list then?

Soviet involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And this list as well?

Foreign interventions by the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ToxicBunny]

Cool, shall we also discuss this list then?

Soviet involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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And this list as well?

Foreign interventions by the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh noes, thats all a lie, Soviet Union was only doing that peacefully.

 

[AlmightyBender]

You can't justify shelling of civilian buildings either.

Don't underestimate the metal gymnastics, and lets be honest, frank & direct... the pure, vile evilness of the folks you have just challenged.

 

[MiW]

Only Naspers?

I am surprised.

 

[buka001]

Oh noes, thats all a lie, Soviet Union was only doing that peacefully.

Yip, the US had a terrible history with regards to foreign interventions and attempted influences and regime changes. However, Russia also has its own history with regards to interventions, imperialism and regime change.

 

[ToxicBunny]

You can't justify shelling of civilian buildings either.

For me the question that really matters about the bridge, have the 3 casualties been determined to be Civilian?

There is also an element of the potential civilians take on the "special operation", though that will of course be impossible to ascertain now that they're dead. There is definitely an element of complicity from a swathe of the Russian population who support the actions of their government and military.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Yip, the US had a terrible history with regards to foreign interventions and attempted influences and regime changes. However, Russia also has its own history with regards to interventions, imperialism and regime change.

Very much so, neither side is blameless in that. Personal opinion would be that the Soviet Union/Russia is somewhat more brutal than the US ever was with those interventions, but that is just an opinion.

 

[ForceFate]

Trolling would be a more accurate description.

They call him trollrot

 

[rietrot]

Russia did not gain any air superiority against Ukraine. So if NATO airforces become involved, then I think Russia will have a hard time.

Half true. Ukraine still have the ability to shoot down Russian aircraft from the ground same as Russia would have with NATO aircraft. Ukraine have no airforce left, the gost of kiev was always a lie.

But agree it won't be easy for Russia.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Half true. Ukraine still have the ability to shoot down Russian aircraft from the ground same as Russia would have with NATO aircraft. Ukraine have no airforce left, the gost of kiev was always a lie.

But agree it won't be easy for Russia.

Weird how a country with no airforce left is still flying missions every day.