Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[Matata]

This really sums up Noddy and his gang.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NAFO/comments/y33635

@The Trutherizer this was what I was referring to when I said the continuation of the demoralisation strategy yesterday. Bezmenoth spoke about it in detail let me see if I can find a video about for you.


Short synopsis of the video: Here Bezemenov goes into the steps that used and explains how the USSR have been using demoralisation for a time. He claims that they have already succeeded beyond their wildest dreams with the demoralisation process. Yesterday I mentioned it is just a continuation of the strategy:

 

[The Trutherizer]

@The Trutherizer this was what I was referring to when I said the continuation of the demoralisation strategy yesterday. Bezmenoth spoke about it in detail let me see if I can find a video about for you.

I suspected "moral" and not "morale" was the root. Didn't look it up yet. Thanks.

 

[buka001]

Evidently they don't. Which was one of the very objective reasons for the 2022 invasion. Crimea is a major problem for Ukraine because of their shortsighted actions regarding that canal.

If you put yourself in the shoes of a Crimean farmer just minding their own business, then suddenly Kyiv cuts the water supply, the Ukrainian central government is going to be in your $hitbook, regardless of what the Russians have done. Then the evil Russians come along in 2022 and open up the canal allowing your farm to work again.

So Russia is either incompetent or they always knew they could annex some more territory in Ukraine.

I agree.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Ukrainian 56th Motorized Brigade.

Significance?

 

[konfab]

So Russia is either incompetent or and they always knew they could annex some more territory in Ukraine.

FTFY

Of course they are incompetent. A country with the natural and human resources like Russia has should have been a first world country by now since they recovered from socialism. Except they did what the ANC did and just carry on with most of the same sort of policies.

 

[Dave]

Significance?

Ignore, Cosmik, it's all just a giant troll.

 

[Wut]

This really sums up Noddy and his gang.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NAFO/comments/y33635

 

[Sneeky]

Seems you only want to hurl attempted insults... But here you go...

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or maybe this

 

[Matata]

I suspected "moral" and not "morale" was the root. Didn't look it up yet. Thanks.

Big pleasure. I just updated post 7601 with the video. You will see in that video that all the points he Bezmenov made in the 80s aligned with what you wrote yesterday about the left and right in america. That was why your post was so interesting for me.

 

[buka001]

FTFY

Of course they are incompetent. A country with the natural and human resources like Russia has should have been a first world country by now since they recovered from socialism. Except they did what the ANC did and just carry on with most of the same sort of policies.

True.

With their vast resources, they could have the capacity to build 10 desalination plants in Crimea.

But they buy yachts for themselves and their mates instead.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Evidently they don't. Which was one of the very objective reasons for the 2022 invasion. Crimea is a major problem for Ukraine because of their shortsighted actions regarding that canal.

If you put yourself in the shoes of a Crimean farmer just minding their own business, then suddenly Kyiv cuts the water supply, the Ukrainian central government is going to be in your $hitbook, regardless of what the Russians have done. Then the evil Russians come along in 2022 and open up the canal allowing your farm to work again.

Why did you omit to mention it was farm water cut off and not water to civilian homes?

 

[ForceFate]

This really sums up Noddy and his gang.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NAFO/comments/y33635

Some of them wilfully dismiss or ignore the truth. They're actual purveyors of indoctrination material. There are 2 particular examples. The rest unfortunately are as your post describes.

 

[The Trutherizer]

Short synopsis of the video: Here Bezemenov goes into the steps that used and explains how the USSR have been using demoralisation for a time. He claims that they have already succeeded beyond their wildest dreams with the demoralisation process. Yesterday I mentioned it is just a continuation of the strategy:

Good to hear it from the horse's mouth.

I've long suspected that the flower generation (hippies) were influenced into it as a measure to harm US operations in Vietnam.
The 80s were suspect as hell. (though I mean it, somewhat, humorously)

Ideas have been expressed that there's an asymmetric weakness to such malign methodologies between an open and free information society and a contrived and controlled one. Though I think openness is the answer. A function of a government under such attack, barring completely shutting the means to influence such as conceivably a great information "firewall" in the vein of China's (though that is not leading to a better world ever) should be to continuously analyse what's being done, and then make the public aware, continuously about the strategies being used. The talking points, the objectives. Though that doesn't exactly sound like progress either. Just my novice thoughts on the matter.

The practice is truly vile in any event.

 

[konfab]

Why did you omit to mention it was farm water cut off and not water to civilian homes?

Because it was the main water supply for the entire region. 20% of that canal was for drinking water.

Since the end of August, timetables for water supply have been introduced in Simferopol and Bakhchysarai. Authorities restricted water supply in three steps. Currently, private flats and houses in Simferopol receive water for six hours per day (three hours in the morning, and three in the evening). Initially, it was assumed that this would be the strictest possible measure, but officials now state that if levels at water reservoirs do not improve, Simferopol will receive water every other day.

Meanwhile, the authorities have acknowledged the problem of water quality in some districts of Simferopol, and claim it is related to water washing up metal corrosion from the pipes. Indeed, Tatyana and Arseny Mikhalchuk have had to switch off the water filters installed in their flat - a company engineer told them that the filtration system would break in a few days at this level of contamination.

For cooking and washing her two young children, Tatyana has to buy water at special terminals and bring it home in plastic bottles with her car. This water costs three-four roubles (£0.03-0.04) per litre, and her family uses 40 litres per day.

Before Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, 85% of its water was supplied via a canal that runs from the Ukrainian region of Kherson, directly to the north. Approximately 80% of water was used for agricultural needs, the remaining 20% was channelled to water reservoirs and used to supply the population. In 2014, Ukraine blocked the canal by building a dam, stopping water supplies to the peninsula.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/inside-crimeas-slow-burn-water-crisis/

Pro-Russian authorities in Crimea reportedly pledged to complete a network of underground water pumps by 2020 – at the cost of almost $330m. But experts, such as Garnachuk, warn that the underground deposits depend on the shutdown canal and will run dry within years.

This summer, half of Crimea’s 14 districts faced drinking water shortages, officials said in August. For several weeks, a town and several villages in eastern Crimea got their drinking water from trucked tanks, they said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/1/4/dam-leaves-crimea-population-in-chronic-water-shortage

If they had cut it by 80%, you could make that claim. But they dammed it off entirely. They probably thought it was a good idea at the time, but I really think it backfired. Even if Russia was to withdraw from Ukraine in its entirety, I doubt people in Crimea would welcome Kyiv with open arms.

 

[Paulsie]

No it doesn't. It's missing the black stripe at the top.

And even suggesting that is fcking retarded.

We don't even need to see any soldiers in the video to know that it's Russians executing civilians like they have been doing since the beginning of this war. Only someone with permanent brain damage would concoct a scenario that says otherwise.

How do you even know it's authentic?

 

[The Trutherizer]

Big pleasure. I just updated post 7602 with the video. You will see in that video that all the points he Bezmenov made in the 80s aligned with what you wrote yesterday about the left and right in america. That was why your post was so interesting for me.

At one point in my life, after having myself bought into some of the bs, I realised that the aim of a life is to live. I've actually used this simple rule of thumb to judiciously separate the good from the bad for a long time. Though it's not always immediately obvious to determine which philosophies and ideologies are best to allow for it. But the quest to do so does tend to highlight some of the crimes against it. And I came to realise that what the Soviets did feels like they stole time from everybody in the world.

 

[ToxicBunny]

How do you even know it's authentic?

Mass murdering fsck heads... Occams razor applies.

 

[sefeddt]

Something I doubt Amnesty International will highlight.

How Moscow grabs Ukrainian kids and makes them Russians

Olga Lopatkina paced around her basement in circles like a trapped animal. For more than a week, the Ukrainian mother had heard nothing from her six adopted children stranded in Mariupol , and she was going out of her mind with worry.

apnews.com

 

[MiW]

Putin claims that 16,000 enlisted Russians already fight against Ukraine

ALONA MAZURENKO – FRIDAY, 14 OCTOBER 2022, 16:19

www.pravda.com.ua

Russian dictator Vladimir Putin claimed that 16,000 conscripted reservists are already "performing combat missions" on the territory of Ukraine.

Source: Putin, at a press conference in Astana, Kazakhstan on 14 October

Quote: "222,000 of the planned 300,000 have been conscripted; 33,000 of those enlisted are in military units, and 16,000 already perform combat missions."

Details: According to him, it is not surprising that death notices are already being issued to the families of those killed conscripts, just three weeks after Putin's announcement of mobilisation.

He stated that the initial training of the enlisted lasts for 5-10 days; then, they are trained in the=ir respective military units for 5 to 15 days, and after that the troops are sent to fight against Ukraine, so there is nothing surprising about the death of conscripted Russians in Ukraine.

The dictator explained the necessity for mobilisation with the fact that the contact line is 1,100 kilometres long, and "it is impossible to guard it only with contract soldiers."

Putin said that he did not regret the attack on Ukraine. He also stated that the Russian Federation allegedly did not threaten Ukrainian statehood.

 

[Matata]

At one point in my life, after having myself bought into some of the bs, I realised that the aim of a life is to live. I've actually used this simple rule of thumb to judiciously separate the good from the bad for a long time. Though it's not always immediately obvious to determine which philosophies and ideologies are best to allow for it. But the quest to do so does tend to highlight some of the crimes against it. And I came to realise that what the Soviets did feels like they stole time from everybody in the world.

I agree. Life challenges a lot of things we thought were certain What you said reminds me of something Alfred North Whitehead said that the purpose of life is to let the ideas die instead of us dying. I do agree there are so many things to learn in this world. Back on topic, I do think USSR tactics have evolved a lot since then and that the inclusion of political technology pioneered by vladislav surkov has been having a devasting effect on the world.