Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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Cosmik Debris

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CommonSense said:
This is actually worrying.
That Lukashenko might also be madly in love with Putin to actually use nukes. Then Russia can claim he acted independently and they had no idea he was actually going to use them. Conjecture, but they come up with weird plans like these all the time.
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Lukashenko is dense enough to try something like that to show Putin what a sycophant he is.
 
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MunosMachos said:
Nah, if the evidence is good I will accept it. I don't think it is impossible that Russia might have done it. You, on the other hand, will believe any photoshop evidence or tweet.
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Yeah right. You have yet to accept the evidence of Afghanistan being a UN legalised 60 country coalition when NATO has 30 members and keep saying it was a US invasion.
 
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CommonSense said:
This is actually worrying.
That Lukashenko might also be madly in love with Putin to actually use nukes. Then Russia can claim he acted independently and they had no idea he was actually going to use them. Conjecture, but they come up with weird plans like these all the time.
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I think Ukraine should ask the UN for a DMZ populated with NATO soldiers on the Belarusian border. That would be a fly in the ointment.
 
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Blu82 said:
I think Ukraine should ask the UN for a DMZ populated with NATO soldiers on the Belarusian border. That would be a fly in the ointment.
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NATO seems to be very weary of "escalation" and technically they cannot intervene as Ukraine is not a NATO member.

The only way this could have been done is with a UN mandated no-fly zone and DMZ. But we all know Russia will veto any such move by the UN (which I think needs the security council to agree and implement as the security council has got the military means to take action).

Lukashenko is hitching his one horse cart directly to Russia and will suffer worse than Russia when this escalates even slightly. I don't see him as towering intellect and it would be easy for Putin to manipulate him.
Let's see if the citizens of Belarus can be more forceful than the Russian brain-washed population. I'm however not holding my breath.
 
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CommonSense said:
NATO seems to be very weary of "escalation" and technically they cannot intervene as Ukraine is not a NATO member.

The only way this could have been done is with a UN mandated no-fly zone and DMZ. But we all know Russia will veto any such move by the UN (which I think needs the security council to agree and implement as the security council has got the military means to take action).

Lukashenko is hitching his one horse cart directly to Russia and will suffer worse than Russia when this escalates even slightly. I don't see him as towering intellect and it would be easy for Putin to manipulate him.
Let's see if the citizens of Belarus can be more forceful than the Russian brain-washed population. I'm however not holding my breath.
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Does NATO need UN permission?
 
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wingnut771 said:
Does NATO need UN permission?
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In my Opinion:

No they don't, but NATO is a defensive pact for NATO member countries. NATO cannot act as a grouping unless a NATO member country is attacked and then the individual member countries can still decide in which way they will assist with a response.

Bottom line is Ukraine is not a NATO member. The NATO members who are delivering military aid are doing it as individual countries too, not as part of a NATO decision. They may discuss assistance to Ukraine as a group in order to align what they supply, but they have to act individually as sovereign nations.

That said. NATO can act like they did during the break-up of Yugoslavia but were doing so under a UN resolution I believe.

And also, if Russia or Belarus does anything drastic like using Nuclear Weapons then NATO can declare that as an act of war against NATO member states as fall-out would most likely be detected over the many NATO countries surrounding Ukraine. They probably won't do a nuclear strike back at Russia, but they would most definitely use the opportunity to push the russians back and to eliminate their forces by overwhelming conventional weapons.
 
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