Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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Mirai said:
His service is useful but not indispensible. It's Western (mostly American gov) intel and Western weapons and support (eg for refugees, food, supplies, training) which is winning this war for Ukraine. We also must not forge the Ukrainians resolve not to fold as in Crimea in 2014 but to actually give their lives to stop the Russians. Many if not most of these Starlink terminals and subs are paid for either by Ukrainians or by foreign donors. The beef apparently is that they are charging the lower fee and not the professional tier fee, apparently. But Starlink also has US government contracts and no doubt other contracts which give a huge advantage with inflow of cash, and if they get in Uncle Sam's way or are seen as unreliable, it won't be to their benefit. Once this war ends, Starlink will enjoy their advantage and good PR in the consumer field too, in Europe for instance. Someone on the twitter mentioned that maybe it's about cheap lithium and aluminium from Russia. Who knows.
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You obviously didn't read my posts how Ukraine's military tactics is built around the capability Starlink provides. If Ukraine loses Starlink they loose their biggest single advantage and their advances ground to a halt.
 
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Blu82 said:
You obviously didn't read my posts how Ukraine's military tactics is built around the capability Starlink provides. If Ukraine loses Starlink they loose their biggest single advantage and their advances ground to a halt.
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That's a bold claim and would need some serious evidence to be convincing.

So you're saying prior to Starlink combined arms warfare, satellite imaging technology, communications, high precision weapons and so on, were not possible.

Desert Storm was successful because of Starlink too?
 
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To the Ukrainians it was a hell of a lot harder to access since they were dependant on cellular networks. You must remember they were using soviet era equipment and the beginning of this war and NATO radio and satellite communications rigs.
 
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MunosMachos said:
www.polskieradio.pl

Council of Europe calls on member states to declare Russia ‘a terrorist regime’

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has adopted a resolution condemning Russia’s aggression against Ukraine and calling on the organisation’s member states to declare Russia "a terrorist regime.”
www.polskieradio.pl


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Blu82 said:
To the Ukrainians it was a hell of a lot harder to access since they were dependant on cellular networks. You must remember they were using soviet era equipment and the beginning of this war and NATO radio and satellite communications rigs.
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Yes but to make a claim that without Starlink they would be stuck where they are is going beyond that. You can at best say it would be harder but that's all. Ukrainians had Starlink early on and they were being pummeled by the Russians back then.
 
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Matata said:
The longer this goes the sadder it gets. :( I wonder if african countries will take note of this.
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No chance. Money talks and even the ANC thought the Russians supported them. Had the apartheid government accepted support from the Soviets, Apartheid wouldn't even have made it to the UN agenda, and the blacks in SA would be seen the same as Yakuts and Buryats - good for cannon fodder and manual labour only and last in line for housing, electricity and water reticulation.

But the ANC will never admit it.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
No chance. Money talks and even the ANC thought the Russians supported them. Had the apartheid government accepted support from the Soviets, Apartheid wouldn't even have made it to the UN agenda, and the blacks in SA would be seen the same as Yakuts and Buryats - good for cannon fodder and manual labour only and last in line for housing, electricity and water reticulation.

But the ANC will never admit it.
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ANC cosing up to the Soviets likely made things worse for anti-apartheid people. If the West was assured that ANC was fully capitalistic and pro-West, real sanctions against SA would probably have come earlier and not when the USSR was no longer seen as a threat because of its collapse. Perhaps that would not even have been necessary as De Klerk may have been convinced earlier to have that referendum as there were genuine fears that SA would become another East Germany.
 
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Mirai said:
Yes but to make a claim that without Starlink they would be stuck where they are is going beyond that. You can at best say it would be harder but that's all. Ukrainians had Starlink early on and they were being pummeled by the Russians back then.
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I would say Starlink and HIMARS was the two crucial systems that turned the war around. Take one away and the Ukraine will not be where they are today.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
Yeah, the usual, make the person who seeks knowledge look for it even when they know exactly where it is. Typical gatekeeper personality. Despised in industry.
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Nah, I just can't be bothered wasting my lovely Sunday by trawling through my old posts in order to prove something to you.

I don't need to.
 
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