Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[Cosmik Debris]

It is US being a belligerent actor interfering with internal politics of a country on Russias border.

Which country would that be? I notice your references never specifically mention what you are talking about and only vague references are made alluding to actions by the US?

 

[Vorastra]

Top of the line AA working well this morning.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Decent interview. Pilger is right about this being a propaganda war and the jingoism seen in this war is extreme.

The discredited Pilger is still being touted.

 

[Vorastra]

Top of the line AA working well this morning.

And I don't mean in a good way.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Only psychopaths behave that way

Then every intelligence agency in the world recruits psychopaths according to you.

 

[DreamKing]

Russia - sure.

The US?

I really don't understand why US can't be a bad guy?

so in a conflict, one side is bad the opposite side must be good?
tell us more about your logic / reasoning please.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Translation:
USA: Look, a dictator and dictator laws! We must intervene to give them freedom and democracy just like we gifted it to the Middle East! Oh and of course we must "secure" their energy for them.

USA has an elected president elected by 50 states. No way he can be a dictator. And he's limited to two terms. Now tell me about Russia.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I am aware of that part as well. That does not change the fact that the president was removed unconstitutionally and new (illegitimate) government installed with the US assistance. Some might call it coup. Everything else that followed was as a result of this.

Like it or not, but you can't reason out of it.

Again the debunked info.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Interesting read, thank you.

So he was voted out on a technicality - he left and was assumed to not return. Also the constitutional court was not approached as they were deemed to be aligned with Yanuchovych and the result was not expected to be independent.
So they took it upon themselves to make a more independent decision.
All made on the assumption that Yanuchovych would not return, nor that he would be able to govern from wherever he was hiding at the time

He didn't return...

 

[Cray]

I really don't understand why US can't be a bad guy?

so in a conflict, one side is bad the opposite side must be good?
tell us more about your logic / reasoning please.

What makes the US the bad guy in this war? Please list specifics...

 

[Cosmik Debris]

They are paid and signed oaths under which they perform their duties
Internet psychopaths dont work for MI5

That's not MI5 It's the GCIS. Get your facts straight. Did you work for MI5 to be able to make a statement about who works for them?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I think contacting DM for any reason whatsoever is pathetic. There's ignore button for when it's needed. If someone's too sensitive, they must leave (or ignore).

In saying thay, I don't have problems with your posts and contributions. They show you have a lot of experience and knowledge. What I don't like is your sometimes demeaning treatment of others which is uncalled for and doesn't do you any justice.

(and yes I'm guilty of it myself - mainly in responding to you).

If anyone speaks shyte, they deserve what they get. A hangover from my military days. And I don't care what you like.

 

[DreamKing]

Why is Ukraine not paying for Starlink?

why? how dare you are asking? you want to be the next amnesty international? you want to be a russian bot?

 

[Vorastra]

I really don't understand why US can't be a bad guy?

so in a conflict, one side is bad the opposite side must be good?
tell us more about your logic / reasoning please.

It's funny. If you rename Russia as the US, and Ukraine as Iraq, these okes have no issues.

That's why I don't care what any of these people in this thread say. Literally zero.

Look at them celebrating assassinations and suicide bombings.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Not more. Equally so. In 2013/14.

I honestly believe that had they not got involved (the infamous phonecall), the outcome got Ukraine would have been much different and perhaps even Crimea would not have been annexed.

So you know the inner workings of the political offices and advisors?

 

[DreamKing]

Sjame... old Elon has a thin skin for the troll he is. I thought he didn't mind free speech ?

I think he did what they are asking for ==> no more for free.

 

[Cray]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1581832163905146880

 

[Cray]

It's funny. If you rename Russia as the US, and Ukraine as Iraq, these okes have no issues.

Who here has said that they have no issues with the 2003 Invasion of Iraq?

 

[Vorastra]

Who here has said that they have no issues with the 2003 Invasion of Iraq?

Because none of you have any issues with the US now.
Keep pretending you treat both the same though.

At least I can say I do.
I didn't care when the US bombed the sht out of Iraq.
I don't care that Russia bombs the sht out of Ukraine.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Fact - Yanukovych wanted to sign a deal which was more beneficial to Ukraine (his parliament majority voted against the EU deal)
Fact - pro-western west of Ukraine protested and violence ensued
Fact - in order to stop violence and create a space to negotiate, Yanukovich offered two political positions to his opponents (prime minister to Yatsenyuk and deputy to Klitshko). When they subsequently denied (see below), he agreed to bring presidential elections forward to allow people the opportunity to vote.

What later transpired (from the conversation) was that the US got directly involved by direct contact with the opposition leaders. What followed everyone knows.

As for the phonecalls themselves, everyone just focuses too much on the "fk Europe" part. Meanwhile, there were more important parts to the conversation. Even the bloody BBC reported io it as well as on the US involvement.

Also - @TEXTILE GUY - this is my answer to your question earlier on. The US government / foreign office has as much blood on their hands as Russia and I denounce both of them.

I also denounce all those who supported the illegitimate overthrow of a sitting president.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

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And lastly, the parliamentary vote to impeach and remove sitting president was note done according to the process laid out in the Ukrainian constitution. As such, Yanukovich was removed unconstitutionally.

How William Hague Deceived the House of Commons on Ukraine

In a statement on 4 March 2014, Foreign Minister William Hague deceived the House of Commons about the legitimacy of the new regime in Ukraine... He led the House to believe that the Ukrainian parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, had removed President Yanukovich from power on 22 February in...

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

All irrelevant. Russia invaded Ukraine after promising not to.