Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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Paulsie

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MiW said:
Paulsie is a lost cause , dictators can not be removed with elections, by definition.. The ex President was trying to pave the laws to become make Ukraine dictatorship, he was stopped.

Once there is dictator established, it's too late to do anything. Putin, Mugabe, Lukashenko, Kim... why no one ever thought to vote them out.!
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So someone who's been suspected of passing laws that limit people's liberties, albeit temporarily, should be removed without a vote.
Someone should warn Jacinda and that little kid Justin.
A coup is a coup is a coup. Unless you have a liberal justification for it of course.
 
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Vorastra said:
What's that got to do with the US still in countries today bombing sht.


Literally killed hundreds of thousands over the last 20 years. It's fine though, as long as you kill their population and replace their government, but don't take land though! Too far.


Congrats, you know the basicas o the Vietnam war. Are you flexing. You keep showing me ho wmuch you know, which makes it worse that you don't dislike the US like you do Russia.
Flexing knowledge on the US' "garbageness' isn't helping your argument.


No need. You can complain about the US like you constantly do about Russia in every thread, and IRL I bet. I can feel it. I know its true.

I do like how we're pretending that you see both as garbage. You don't though. You like the US because they make things for you to buy.
Literally the only difference between the US and Russia is that the US has the cultural might to make all their bad things go away relatively well.
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Love how US conduct in Iraq, Syria and by proxy Yemen is irrelevant, yet Russia conduct in Georgia and Chechnya is.
 
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Shame on those people, ruining Yanucovych Dictatorial wet dreams.

On a more serious note, it's good finally to see you siding with an oppressive diktator-wanna-be who ordered the shooting on peacefully protesting citizens.

At least once and for all I know where you stand on the issues of human rights and democracy.
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Guess who was rallying the protesters at the time? One John McCain.
Had the internal peace political process been allowed to follow through none of this might have happened.
Human rights and democracy my arse!!
 
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Paulsie said:
So someone who's been suspected of passing laws that limit people's liberties, albeit temporarily, should be removed without a vote.
Someone should warn Jacinda and that little kid Justin.
A coup is a coup is a coup. Unless you have a liberal justification for it of course.
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Are you for real, the guy was not suspected , he did pass laws fraudulently, did you even read that part?

When adopting the laws the Parliament violated a number of its own procedural rules. The laws were voted mostly by showing of hands. This is allowed by the Rules of Procedureuk but only when there is no "technical possibility" to vote through the electronic system. Moreover, hands were "counted" within a few seconds, based on the number of MPs included in the parliamentary groups, while many MPs were in fact absent. Diplomats observing the votes counted only some 100 to 140 raised hands, while the laws would have needed to be adopted by a majority of 226 votes. Most of the laws were adopted without prior consideration in the parliament's committees as required and with no time for examining the laws even by the MPs.[22]
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Yep a coup is a coup, let me google coups in the last 10 years in Europe..

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As I thought , only 2 attempts both organized by Russia.


I am not interested to entertain your trolling, I honestly don't think you are so stupid that you can't comprehend the facts, which means you are Putin's apologist or trolling.
 
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The cost of a surface to air missile to a kamikaze drone? $3 million to say $20k for a drone - losing exchange
 
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Paulsie said:
Guess who was rallying the protesters at the time? One John McCain.
Had the internal peace political process been allowed to follow through none of this might have happened.
Human rights and democracy my arse!!
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Ok then, just plain stupid , obviously you lack the ability to comprehend what happened in Ukraine , I will go back to ignoring your posts and won't waste my time explaining how democracy works or doesn't.
If you didn't learn by the age of 50 I doubt you will ever do.
 
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Paulsie said:
So someone who's been suspected of passing laws that limit people's liberties, albeit temporarily, should be removed without a vote.
Someone should warn Jacinda and that little kid Justin.
A coup is a coup is a coup. Unless you have a liberal justification for it of course.
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There was no coup. The Ukrainian parliament impeached a president who betrayed his people and left.
It was legal.
At best you can say the legal opinion is divided about it. I already posted a link to bitter winter about that.

However, this ambiquity does not give anyone the right to invade Ukraine and kill its people. It's not Russia's problem. And if Russia had a problem she could have raised it with the Council of Europe, OSCE and finally the United Nations. Please stop repeating this nonsense as though you're an expert on Ukrainian constitutional law.
 
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The cost of a surface to air missile to a kamikaze drone? $3 million to say $20k for a drone - losing exchange
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So brave, posting all the way from sunny South Africa about a country at war in Europe. So if it was your hospital which was bombed or your child's school with your kid inside, would it still be worth to shoot down the drone with a $3 million missile?

I would suggest all you pro-Putin MyBBers visit central Europe and speak to people there and try to determine for yourselves what the place is like. Not that it matters, your opinion is meaningless but at least you'd educate yourselves.
 
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Paulsie said:
Guess who was rallying the protesters at the time? One John McCain.
Had the internal peace political process been allowed to follow through none of this might have happened.
Human rights and democracy my arse!!
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And Russia had little green man and Yanukovich was their guy. What do you want?
 
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Love how US conduct in Iraq, Syria and by proxy Yemen is irrelevant, yet Russia conduct in Georgia and Chechnya is.
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Because US did not annex any of those, did not threaten nuclear war and it was not apparent to us living in central Europe - google Bartosiak - that Russia would possibly invade Baltics, Poland or Romania. Russia started a war as a pure land grab. In addition US, is not invading Iraq or Syria at the moment, Russia is destroying Ukraine and every day they kill people. Have you no soul, man? How can you live with yourself?
 
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Paulsie said:
So someone who's been suspected of passing laws that limit people's liberties, albeit temporarily, should be removed without a vote.
Someone should warn Jacinda and that little kid Justin.
A coup is a coup is a coup. Unless you have a liberal justification for it of course.
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I already told you. If you are so hung up about coups then Russia is an illegitimate state because the last legitimate provisional government was deposed by the Bolsheviks. Whatever followed was derrived from the clique which made up the Bolsheviks.
 
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