Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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So someone who's been suspected of passing laws that limit people's liberties, albeit temporarily, should be removed without a vote.
Someone should warn Jacinda and that little kid Justin.
A coup is a coup is a coup. Unless you have a liberal justification for it of course.
Asked you this previously, why does the coup still matter after they held elections in 2019... ? The person who was president after the "coup" is no longer president, so how is it in any way relevant to the current war?
 

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Asked you this previously, why does the coup still matter after they held elections in 2019... ? The person who was president after the "coup" is no longer president, so how is it in any way relevant to the current war?

There was no coup, but even if there was, your point would stand. Even if there was a coup, it's none of Russia's business. It does not justify a war.

Did US invade Iran when the Shah was deposed? Did US invade Iraq when Saddam Hussein's party got to power in less than legitimate ways? Did US invade Afghanistan when the Taliban was victorious and took over that country in the 90s?
 

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There was no coup, but even if there was, your point would stand. Even if there was a coup, it's none of Russia's business. It does not justify a war.

Did US invade Iran when the Shah was deposed? Did US invade Iraq when Saddam Hussein's party got to power in less than legitimate ways? Did US invade Afghanistan when the Taliban was victorious and took over that country in the 90s?
100%, was just a hypothetical, the coup thing is nonsense, but even if it were true, it has no bearing on the current situation.
 

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A peace agreement was signed by Yanukovych and the two opposition members on 21st February. Protesters were not happy with the agreement and threatened armed attack. Yanukovych fled.
The next day, 22nd February, Yanukovych announced he was still the president of the country.
One hour later he was voted out.
Illegitimately.

Paulsie who is not Ukrainian cares so much about Ukrainian constitutional law.
But does not care about their people, who are killed on a daily basis by people he carries water for.
 

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Nice. So close to being good! Just not specifically calling out the Banderites and the merchants of death supplying Saudi Arabia.

I don't know why he's entertaining you. You don't get to decide who critiques what and which ad homimens are valid forms of argument. None of them are.

It's irrelevant what US or Saudi Arabia did. It's irrelevant that some Ukrainians like Bandera who is long dead. What's relevant is that Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022 and is murdering their people, NOW.

One does not need to know anything about Yemen or even care for it one way or another, one can be for or against the Saudis in Yemen, but what's relevant is that Ukraine is being attacked in a war of aggression. This topic is about that. Make your own topic elsewhere.

Please stop wasting everyone's time here. Please stop posting off topic stuff, I will start to report it.
 

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The ambiguity surrounding his departure is precisely why there is confusion.

Some say he was impeached, in which case there are clear procedures to follow (which were not).

Some say he was voted out as he left the country - yet he did not. He left as he was under threat and stated he was still the sitting president the following day. He was chased out by a violent faction of protesters despite the peace agreement signed by legitimate goverent and legitimate opposition parties. Whatever happened afterwards is a direct result of these events.

I don't need to be pretend to be an expert on Ukrainian constitutional law. Plenty of them out there with plenty of opinions.

Russia should get out of Ukraine and stop meddling in other countries affairs. So should US (that's why we have the UN).

You cannot expect Russia to sit idly while the US is exerting their global influence.
 

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Usual whataboutism and red herrings / off topic contents from Putin supporters.
The ambiguity surrounding his departure is precisely why there is confusion.

The one claiming that something terrible has happened has to prove it unequivocally.

Some say he was impeached, in which case there are clear procedures to follow (which were not).

At least some experts say that everything was by the book. I posted that already on bitter winter.

Some say he was voted out as he left the country - yet he did not. He left as he was under threat and stated he was still the sitting president the following day. He was chased out by a violent faction of protesters despite the peace agreement signed by legitimate goverent and legitimate opposition parties. Whatever happened afterwards is a direct result of these events.

This is again speculation from you aided and abetted by a hostile agent, Russia's propaganda.

I don't need to be pretend to be an expert on Ukrainian constitutional law. Plenty of them out there with plenty of opinions.

You're not. You speak here with extreme confidence yet you're not an expert on Ukrainian law. At best you should be more humble and claim that maybe.... but then you should also prove why that is a justification for Russia to go on their spree of murder.

Russia should get out of Ukraine and stop meddling in other countries affairs. So should US (that's why we have the UN).

Yes as long as you don't claim to say US is meddling in Europe. Because being European - I have dual citizenship - I want US to be involved in Europe. That's at least one person.

You cannot expect Russia to sit idly while the US is exerting their global influence.

Bollocks. Russia can do what it does but peacefully and Russia has been increasing their own influence at the same time eg NS 1 and 2.
 
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