Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[MiW]

 

[rietrot]

Remember when the EU was simping for Iran because Trump wanted to punish them.

Lol. All lefties was pro Iran just a year ago wanting to give them nukes. Now Iran is the Devil again

 

[AfricanTech]

With the influx of hundreds of Iranian drones, one has to ask when it is going to become justified in the eyes of the world for Ukraine to attack Russia directly.

It’s completely unrealistic to expect the Ukraine to operate on a purely defensive field of play given this development

In many ways, the suicide throne attacks are no different to the V2 bomb attacks on London during World War II, which means that at some point the UN has to give Ukraine the go-ahead to start attacking the source of where these attacks on their cities are coming from.

There’s a massive difference between sending drones to military targets, to sending drones to attack random civilian targets.

Methinks that Russia has taken the next step in a long series of shooting itself in the foot with this escalation.

 

[rietrot]

With the influx of hundreds of Iranian drones, one has to ask when it is going to become justified in the eyes of the world for Ukraine to attack Russia directly.

It’s completely unrealistic to expect the Ukraine to operate on a purely defensive field of play given this development

In many ways, the suicide throne attacks are no different to the V2 bomb attacks on London during World War II, which means that at some point the UN has to give Ukraine the go-ahead to start attacking the source of where these attacks on their cities are coming from.

There’s a massive difference between sending drones to military targets, to sending drones to attack random civilian targets.

Methinks that Russia has taken the next step in a long series of shooting itself in the foot with this escalation.

They are attacking Russia directly as much as they are capable to.

Most daring mission was two helicopters blowing up some oil storage.
And then also random acts of terrorism like the bridge bombing and random fires to infrastructure and so on. Ukrainian special opp are quite good.

But that only escalats things. Like we are currently seeing.

Ukrain can stop the war tomorrow by withdrawing out of Russia(the new bigger Russia)

 

[BBSA]

With the influx of hundreds of Iranian drones, one has to ask when it is going to become justified in the eyes of the world for Ukraine to attack Russia directly.

It’s completely unrealistic to expect the Ukraine to operate on a purely defensive field of play given this development

In many ways, the suicide throne attacks are no different to the V2 bomb attacks on London during World War II, which means that at some point the UN has to give Ukraine the go-ahead to start attacking the source of where these attacks on their cities are coming from.

There’s a massive difference between sending drones to military targets, to sending drones to attack random civilian targets.

Methinks that Russia has taken the next step in a long series of shooting itself in the foot with this escalation.

Attacking Russia is probably not a good idea as Putin will use it to get support for the Russian public to do more evil.

 

[Paulsie]

So it's Zelensky's fault that Russia invaded his country? Therefore that election doesn't count because something he campaigned on wasn't achieved through no fault of his own... ,Jesus, do you listen to yourself?

Jesus, can you read and comprehend? Obviously not. Or perhaps you always jump in mid-sentemce, your brain not quite managing to connect o the second part. You know, the one where it wasn't his fault?

So what is your argument for declaring the election irrelevant, that a politician campaigned on certain goals and didn't manage to achieve them all?

And people who say Ukraine "had it coming", seriously, can f*** right off.

There's no such thing as declaring election irrelevant. You can declare election invalid, or you can state the outcome is irrelevant. Zelensky did not manage to achieve any of his promises due to interference. In his case mostly internal.
When you have elected officials unable to perform election promises (based on which they were voted in), it makes it irrelevant whether they are there or not.

And yes, Ukraine had it coming. Doesn't mean they deserve it, but being stuck as the crown jewel of a fight between Russia and the west, with own corruption, a decade of conflict and own radicals thrown in, they had it coming.

 

[MiW]

US: Iran supplying drones to Moscow a ‘violation’ of UN resolution​

The United States agrees with assessments from France and the United Kingdom that Iran supplying drones to Russia would violate a UN Security Council resolution that endorsed the 2015 nuclear deal between Iran and six powers, US State Department Spokesperson Vedant Patel said on Monday.
“Earlier today our French and British allies publicly offered the assessment that Iran’s supply of these UAVs [for] Russia is a violation of UN Security Council resolution 2231,” Patel told reporters, referring to uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs), or drones. “This is something that we agree with.”
Ukraine has reported a spate of Russian attacks using Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones in recent weeks. Iran denies supplying the drones to Russia, while the Kremlin has not commented.
The State Department assessed that Iranian drones were used on Monday in a morning attack on Kyiv, an official said. White House Spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre also accused Tehran of lying when it says Iranian drones are not being used by Russia in Ukraine.
Resolution 2231 endorsed the deal between Iran and the UK, China, France, Germany, Russia and the US that limited Tehran’s uranium enrichment activity, making it harder for Iran to develop nuclear arms while lifting international sanctions.

 

[rietrot]

US: Iran supplying drones to Moscow a ‘violation’ of UN resolution​

The United States agrees with assessments from France and the United Kingdom that Iran supplying drones to Russia would violate a UN Security Council resolution that endorsed the 2015 nuclear deal between Iran and six powers, US State Department Spokesperson Vedant Patel said on Monday.
“Earlier today our French and British allies publicly offered the assessment that Iran’s supply of these UAVs [for] Russia is a violation of UN Security Council resolution 2231,” Patel told reporters, referring to uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs), or drones. “This is something that we agree with.”
Ukraine has reported a spate of Russian attacks using Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones in recent weeks. Iran denies supplying the drones to Russia, while the Kremlin has not commented.
The State Department assessed that Iranian drones were used on Monday in a morning attack on Kyiv, an official said. White House Spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre also accused Tehran of lying when it says Iranian drones are not being used by Russia in Ukraine.
Resolution 2231 endorsed the deal between Iran and the UK, China, France, Germany, Russia and the US that limited Tehran’s uranium enrichment activity, making it harder for Iran to develop nuclear arms while lifting international sanctions.

Lol US exceptionalism is amazing.

Only they and their approved partners are allowed to supply weapons.

That has directly affected South Africa in the past. They didn't like us selling the rooi valk

 

[Cius]

Attacking Russia is probably not a good idea as Putin will use it to get support for the Russian public to do more evil.

Agreed. Support for the war is very low. If Ukraine attacks civilian targets in Russia it will give Putin the one thing he lacks. Support. At this point I think we all know the end goal here is Putin being removed from power. Attacking Russia directly would probably remove any odds of that happening soon. Hitting military targets perhaps, like ammo dumps, oil, etc sure. But bombing a city not so much. It would also not be palatable to Ukrainian allies supplying weapons to see those weapons kill women and children. Hence despite the uneven playing field Ukraine has to keep going on the current path. Full those Russian body bags, and let the pressure of the sanctions continue to build until the revolution in Russia happens.

Only other scenario I see happening is a powerful cabal of supporters giving Putin the ultimatum to end the war, and rotate out of power sometime in the next year with a valid soft reason given like health to spare his ego. Or they will organize a "heart attack" for him.

 

[Paulsie]

But you see it doesn't matter since evil Nazis and American CIA prevented him from giving Donbas to Russia and becoming Kremlins biatch in order to make peace via supplication. And he could have been like Lukashenka. He'd be hosting Steven Seagal now.

When your democratically elected president is threatened by his own, which precludes him from delivering on his promises, he's not really running the country. This makes his democratic election irrelevant and this makes democracy in Ukraine irrelevant.

Or have you gone so deep Mirai, that you now excuse death threats to a democratically elected president as justifyable, because he wanted to make a deal with Russia?

Who'd be the apologist then?

 

[Cray]

There's no such thing as declaring election irrelevant. You can declare election invalid, or you can state the outcome is irrelevant. Zelensky did not manage to achieve any of his promises due to interference. In his case mostly internal.
When you have elected officials unable to perform election promises (based on which they were voted in), it makes it irrelevant whether they are there or not.

Source for all of that? You can make an argument that Zelensky was an ineffective leader and didn't achieve what he set out to do but that doesn't make him an illegitimate president. And in the context of that supposed "coup", it makes the "coup" irrelevant because, effective or not, irrelevant or not , Zelensky is the legitimate, duly elected leader of Ukraine.

And yes, Ukraine had it coming. Doesn't mean they deserve it, but being stuck as the crown jewel of a fight between Russia and the west, with own corruption, a decade of conflict and own radicals thrown in, they had it coming.

That is literally what the phrase "had it coming", means, that they deserved what happened to them because of their previous bad actions...

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/to-have-it-get-whats-coming-to-you

if you say that someone has it coming to them, you mean that they deserve everything bad that is going to happen to them, because they have done something wrong or are a bad person. If you say that someone got what was coming to them, you mean that they deserved the punishment or bad experience that they have had.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/had-it-coming-to

If someone had it coming, something bad happened to them that was deserved:

Are you a subscriber to Narrow's world of alternative meanings?

 

[OhYeah84]

To the last Ukrainian indeed. From the comfort of one's chair.

You liked/acknowledged my post about Sky - people just want the fighting to stop.

Yet nobody seems to listen to them.

PUTIN doesn't want to listen to them. The Ukranians would want their country back and a ceasefire.

 

[OhYeah84]

I tell you what I'm really afraid of - Russia losing.
Not for them losing per se, but because of what might happen to Russia in the current hateful environment.
Germany after WWI comes to mind.

Russia can afford to lose the war. They cannot afford to lose their "status".

What happened to Germany after the war? Russia decided to grab half the country and the Allies had rushed to try stop them, before grabbing the other half. West Germany then went into an economic boom while East Germany sank like a lead sinker like the rest of Communist Europe.

Nobody will rush to land-grab in Russia. They'll face economic ostracisation (except for countries kissing their ass like BRICS), and justifiably so.

 

[Blu82]

Accurate description of event.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582199277891485696

 

[rietrot]

What happened to Germany after the war? Russia decided to grab half the country and the Allies had rushed to try stop them, before grabbing the other half. West Germany then went into an economic boom while East Germany sank like a lead sinker like the rest of Communist Europe.

Nobody will rush to land-grab in Russia. They'll face economic ostracisation (except for countries kissing their ass like BRICS), and justifiably so.

Russian communist experiment is over. Don't know if you heard but the USSR collapsed in the 90's They now do a western style crony capitalism. Arguably a better version of it, similar to the one responsible for the growth in the west. Whereas the west has a "liquidity" problem.

 

[rietrot]

PUTIN doesn't want to listen to them. The Ukranians would want their country back and a ceasefire.

And they wish to exterminate the Russian speaking population in Ukraine. Why the previous ceasefires didn't work when their country was still intact. And why Russia felt the need to intervene

 

[Cray]

And they wish to exterminate the Russian speaking population in Ukraine. Why the previous ceasefires didn't work when their country was still intact. And why Russia felt the need to intervene

Yeah, that's all BS.

 

[gregmcc]

Is Musk really providing it for free?

Why am I not surprised. He is the biggest con artist ever.

 

[AfricanTech]

Ukraine had it coming and Russia is not the only guilty party.

No one deserves what the Russians are doing in Ukraine, murder, rape of women, children and men, child abduction, cultural re-education, mass graves, wholesale theft, wholesale destruction of private and public property, genocide, maltreatment of POWs, mutilation, war crimes too numerous to mention.....

No one.

 

[rietrot]

Yeah, that's all BS.

The facts > your feelings.