Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[Cosmik Debris]

Russia should get out of Ukraine and stop meddling in other countries affairs. So should US (that's why we have the UN).

You cannot expect Russia to sit idly while the US is exerting their global influence.

Which countries are the US occupying or have annexed?

 

[ForceFate]

But you've been making up your mind for the last few pages.
Let me tell you then.

Making up my mind about what?

I was even more happy when the first black president of the US increased drone strikes and everyone else clapped too.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

What.

Operation INFEKTION was a disinformation campaign run by the KGB in the 1980s to spread information that the United States invented HIV/AIDS as part of a biological weapons research project at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

(snip)

In 1992, KGB Director Yevgeny Primakov admitted that the KGB was behind the newspaper articles claiming that AIDS was created by the U.S. government. Segal's role was exposed by KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin in the Mitrokhin Archive. The 1999 book Stasi: The Untold Story of the East German Secret Police describes how the Stasi cooperated with the KGB to spread the story.

Sources -

Kello, Lucas (2017). The Virtual Weapon and International Order. Yale University Press. p. 215. ISBN 9780300226294.

Boghardt, Thomas (December 2009). "Soviet Bloc Intelligence and Its AIDS Disinformation Campaign (Operation INFEKTION)" (PDF). Studies in Intelligence

Soviet Influence Activities: A Report on Active Measures and Propaganda, 1986-87 (PDF) (Report). U.S. Department of State. August 1987.

Andrew, Christopher; Mitrokhin, Vasili (10 October 2006). The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World: Newly Revealed Secrets from the Mitrokhin Archive. Basic Books. ISBN 978-0465003136 – via archive.org.

Koehler, John O. (1999). Stasi: The Untold Story of the East German Secret Police. Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3409-7.

 

[Cray]

A case in point is your interaction with Rietrot. I semi agree with him, semi not. But that is only because I chose to educate myself on certain problems in the Ukraine made off by our cheer leaders as non-existent, dis-proven etc. In reality, the "disprove" was nothing more than trying to troll, discredit and ban unpopular messengers, calling them trolls and liars. Going to look at what they actually said is nothing like what they really said before the trolling started. Many of the things pointed were original quotes from actual extremist Ukrainians, even from the Ukranian media, and international politicians. Trolling and discrediting an unpopular messenger, with inconvenient facts, to death is not dis-proving anything, It's a stupid pathetic game that does not change facts.

Rietrot isn't that great with facts...

And they wish to exterminate the Russian speaking population in Ukraine. Why the previous ceasefires didn't work when their country was still intact. And why Russia felt the need to intervene

 

[buka001]

Sweet. Ukraine war justified.

Ukraine is justified to retaliate against Russia, as Russia started the war by bombing and invading Ukraine first.

 

[Vorastra]

Operation INFEKTION was a disinformation campaign run by the KGB in the 1980s to spread information that the United States invented HIV/AIDS as part of a biological weapons research project at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

(snip)

In 1992, KGB Director Yevgeny Primakov admitted that the KGB was behind the newspaper articles claiming that AIDS was created by the U.S. government. Segal's role was exposed by KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin in the Mitrokhin Archive. The 1999 book Stasi: The Untold Story of the East German Secret Police describes how the Stasi cooperated with the KGB to spread the story.

Sources -

Kello, Lucas (2017). The Virtual Weapon and International Order. Yale University Press. p. 215. ISBN 9780300226294.

Boghardt, Thomas (December 2009). "Soviet Bloc Intelligence and Its AIDS Disinformation Campaign (Operation INFEKTION)" (PDF). Studies in Intelligence

Soviet Influence Activities: A Report on Active Measures and Propaganda, 1986-87 (PDF) (Report). U.S. Department of State. August 1987.

Andrew, Christopher; Mitrokhin, Vasili (10 October 2006). The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for the Third World: Newly Revealed Secrets from the Mitrokhin Archive. Basic Books. ISBN 978-0465003136 – via archive.org.

Koehler, John O. (1999). Stasi: The Untold Story of the East German Secret Police. Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3409-7.

Sweet. I knew none of that so thanks for wasting your time. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

 

[Vorastra]

Ukraine is justified to retaliate against Russia, as Russia started the war by bombing and invading Ukraine first.

When did I say it wasn't.
Russia retaliated for Ukraine not listening.

Enough justification for the US. Enough for Russia.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

you might as well pretend the result of the 1994 election in South Africa was in no way impacted by the decades of apartheid before it

How does a future event influence a past event?

 

[Howdy]

This is so true.

The Neocons and the Woke Left Are Joining Hands and Leading to Woke War III

By smearing Elon Musk, the Twitter Mob maintains that escalation in Ukraine is the only acceptable view, even if it risks nuclear war.

www.newsweek.com

Brilliant.

but rather, that a Twitter hive mind is using the same intolerant cancellation tactics that they use to shut down debate on domestic political issues in order to shape U.S. policy toward Ukraine. They are doing so by demonizing dissent, defaming opponents, and closing off as ideologically unacceptable any path to peace or even deescalation.

"Never" said nobody ever. Off topic posts are tolerated, the biggest garbage even. Yet let somebody post Clayton videos about the Ukraine ... OMG! Outrage! Melt! Report! Remove!

So much in that article that should be read by those that will deliberately ignore it. I'm sure these folks are currently applying their "critical thinking prowess" to dig up dirt on the author or platform, ignoring self evident facts. That's not what is mean by critical thinking.

 

[buka001]

It's amusing that Vorastra is taken so seriously.

The fact that no one has any self awareness is just as amusing.

Always amusing to laugh about people dying.

Hilarious.

Fascists love to show how indifferent they are to death and suffering.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Sweet. I knew none of that so thanks for wasting your time. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Rather thank me for educating you. It was my pleasure. You need a lot more as can be seen from your musings here.

 

[buka001]

When did I say it wasn't.
Russia retaliated for Ukraine not listening.

Enough justification for the US. Enough for Russia.

And enough to satisfy your fascistic adulation of militarism.

 

[Vorastra]

And enough to satisfy your fascistic adulation of militarism.

Based.

 

[Vorastra]

Rather thank me for educating you. It was my pleasure. You need a lot more as can be seen from your musings here.

You educated me on literally nothing.
I'm still waiting to find out what it had to do with the US purposefully lying about WMDs as justification for starting a war.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I certainly don't want them to be involved as everything they do is to their advantage and the detriment of others.

Examples please?

 

[MiW]

Imagine the possibilities

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582283486580252672

 

[ToxicBunny]

Imagine the possibilities

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582283486580252672

Bwahahaha ha... Thats epic.

 

[Vorastra]

So how much power infrastructure was hit this morning.

I wonder if Zelensky will tell us that actually nothing was hit but also that every residential building was hit too.

 

[OhYeah84]

"Russians? Atrocities? What about the US?"

It's the Ukranian war. If you're looking for USA attrocities then please open a new topic.

 

[OhYeah84]

Russia should be punished for it's atrocities just like the US was punished for atrocities in Afghanistan and Iraq.
With finger-wagging and nothing else.

I agree Comrade.