Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

[buka001]

The Em in @Emjay is for EmPathy.

Or it is Emma

 

[Vorastra]

The US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was fascistic.

Always the action, but never the country.
Same rule doesn't apply to Russia it seems.

After they annexed four Ukrainian territories? That's like a mugger asking you to let bygones be bygones after he has stolen your wallet.

Yes, because the mugger will stab you, ending you permanently. Hence why losing your wallet is worth it when you know the mugger has a weapon and the alternative is losing your life.

 

[Cray]

Did I say it wasn't. They should be smarter though.
Every NATO country has shown support for them.
Make a peace agreement with Russia. Shed the eastern areas as total losses.

Put all that supposed NATO support to the test and demand they're fast-tracked into NATO like everyone in NATO pretended they totally would support.

How do you know that simply giving up those four regions will be enough though? As for the NATO thing, wasn't the one thing bandied about by some would be that Ukraine must swear to be neutral? How does that fit in with joining NATO?

 

[Vorastra]

Or it is Emma

No it's Mary Jane Watson.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Exactly. What about slavery years in USA ? And that tan suit issue.

Can you fast forward two centuries to the Russo Ukrainian war, please?

If you want to look at present day slavery closer to your origins, look at the Dalits.

 

[Vorastra]

As for the NATO thing, wasn't the one thing bandied about by some would be that Ukraine must swear to be neutral?

We have no clue what would be negotiated because Ukraine has never gone to negotiate during this war lol

 

[Cosmik Debris]

It'd be so much easier if people were just truthful.

You accept it when the US bombs countries.
You don't accept it when Russia bombs countries.


"But but but but."
^^^^ This is how people know you're a liar.

The difference is the USA does it legally with the approval of the UN. The Russians don't.

 

[Vorastra]

Can you fast forward two centuries to the Russo Ukrainian war, please?

If you want to look at present day slavery closer to your origins, look at the Dalits.

No, let's look at Libya where they have slavery now because of US and co.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I have no problems with WW3. Just as long as the people who advocated for it are the very first ones violently killed in the war they wanted so much.
Imagine starting WW3 for a shthole like Ukraine.

Those killed in WW3 will be the lucky ones. Survivors will starve to death.

 

[Vorastra]

The difference is the USA does it legally with the approval of the UN. The Russians don't.

You've just made my day.

 

[buka001]

Yeah, it is totally not empathetic to want young men to stop killing each other or for deranged men to stop bombing innocent civilians...

I understand how you get to this point when words don't really mean anything anymore.

Cool and if Ukraine stops fighting and Russia occupies their territory, subjucates them, extradites dissdents, kills those who refuse to be subjugated?

Why should Ukraine allow Russia to occupy them?

Why is it always that Ukraine must stop fighting, but you aren't calling for Russia to stop and retreat back to its borders?

 

[Cray]

We have no clue what would be negotiated because Ukraine has never gone to negotiate during this war lol

Yeah, that's complete and utter BS.

https://www.ft.com/content/7b341e46-d375-4817-be67-802b7fa77ef1

Ukraine and Russia have made significant progress on a tentative peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces, according to five people briefed on the talks. Ukrainian and Russian negotiators discussed the proposed deal in full for the first time on Monday, said two of the people.

The 15-point draft considered that day would involve Kyiv renouncing its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for protection from allies such as the US, UK and Turkey, the people said. However, the nature of western guarantees for Ukrainian security — and their acceptability to Moscow — could prove to be a big obstacle to any deal, as could the status of the country’s territories seized by Russia and its proxies in 2014. A 1994 agreement underpinning Ukrainian security failed to prevent the Kremlin’s aggression against its neighbour.

 

[Vorastra]

As if your posts in this thread are the only posts you have made that exhibit and showcase your ideologies.

Go on.

 

[ForceFate]

Yes, that's the joke lmao

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Oh...I've come across many who use one to refer to the other so assumed you're one of them.

 

[Vorastra]

His tribe became the richest. The rest lived in abject poverty.

How does this explain the GDP per capita.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

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Perfect description of why Russia attacked Ukraine. Thanks.

 

[buka001]

So why don't you enlist then, Buka? Since you feel so strongly about it?

The same reason you didn't enlist in Afghanistan or Iraq to fight the Americans.

 

[Vorastra]

Oh...I've come across many who use one to refer to the other so assumed you're one of them.

Surely not...

 

[Emjay]

Cool and if Ukraine stops fighting and Russia occupies their territory, subjucates them, extradites dissdents, kills those who refuse to be subjugated?

Why should Ukraine allow Russia to occupy them?

Why is it always that Ukraine must stop fighting, but you aren't calling for Russia to stop and retreat back to its borders?

Jesus. Get a grip. Prolonging a war because of hypotheticals? Man, you just sound so unhinged.

 

[Emjay]

The same reason you didn't enlist in Afghanistan or Iraq to fight the Americans.

Because I value my life more than wars which have nothing to do with me?

You sure seem very happy that others throw away their lives when you cannot do the same.