Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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capd said:
I said 'referenda' and you know exactly why and what I meant. The West imposing 'freedom' and 'democracy' backed by PR on other countries strategic to its interests, is the same thing.
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Public relations campaign promoting freedom and democracy is the same thing as invading a country and holding a sham vote to annex it.

More proof that your brain has turned to mush.
 
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Yes, Insanity is also replying to the same poster(s) over and over the same thing, hoping to move things along.

This thread has become a side-show between members instaed of good information on the real conflict going on.
 
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Paulsie said:
To be fair, if Russia had managed to interfere in elections (just like the US did/do) and install Russia friendly government, there would be no need for annexation.

They had that in Ukraine in 2014 with pro-Russian president, 2ho was subsequently run out of town. Annexation followed.
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Do you want some examples of Russian interference in elections during the cold war?
 
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Yes, Insanity is also replying to the same poster(s) over and over the same thing, hoping to move things along.

This thread has become a side-show between members instaed of good information on the real conflict going on.
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Not really much happening on the frontline right now.

"Circling Lyman" is all we have been told for over a week.
 
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tetrasect said:
Public relations campaign backing freedom and democracy is the same thing as invading a country and holding a sham vote to annex it.

More proof that your brain has turned to mush.
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I support the will of the people in gaining independence and self-determination from oppressors. If the majority in the areas in question want to join Russia after being persecuted for years, then it's reasonable that Russia would assist.

The West certainly wouldn't. And very little is known in the West about these areas, post the Maidan Coup. We know why.

Ironic how, using PR and deceit to gain our support, it's no problem for the West meddling in countries who do not want them there.

And then the sheer audacity to ask for examples of 'referenda'.

Blatant ignorance.
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
oh those rosy tinted bias glasses of yours are out again

nitpicking to use the term "annex", how about "occupied"? how long has the USA occupied Iraq and Afghanistan? how long has it been invading Syria?

getting back to annexation ... how many ex-USSR nations have been annexed into NATO?
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Afghanistan was not just the USA. It was a 60 country coalition legitimised by the UN. How many more times do you need to be told this?

Which Iraq invasion are you on about? 1991 or 2003?
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
revisionist dictionary use does not change the definition of annex

it does not imply force, unilateralism or any of those things, merely expansion of any kind

by the way, while you're cracking open the dictionary look up referendum, annexation post referendum can never be unilateral
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Annexation is always by military force. South Africa annexed the uninhabited Prince Edward Island and Marion Island in 1947:

Marion Island and Prince Edward Island were claimed for South Africa on 29 December 1947 and 4 January 1948 respectively, by a South African Navy force from HMSAS Transvaal under the command of John Fairbairn.

On 1 October 1948 the annexation was made official when Governor-General Gideon Brand van Zyl signed the Prince Edward Islands Act, 1948. In terms of the Act, the islands fall under the jurisdiction of the Cape Town Magistrate's Court, and South African law as applied in the Western Cape applies on them.

The islands are also deemed to be situated within the electoral district containing the Port of Cape Town; as of 2016 this is ward 115 of the City of Cape Town.

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Prince Edward Islands - Wikipedia

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capd said:
I support the will of the people in gaining independence and self-determination from oppressors. If the majority in the areas in question want to join Russia after being persecuted for years, then it's reasonable that Russia would assist.

The West certainly wouldn't. And very little is known in the West about these areas, post the Maidan Coup. We know why.

Ironic how, using PR and deceit to gain our support, it's no problem for the West meddling in countries who do not want them there.

And then the sheer audacity to ask for examples of 'referenda'.

Blatant ignorance.
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Odd how Russia's allies even with close shared borders refuse to recognize them.
 
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