Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 5

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ForceFate said:
1. Russia bit a chunk off Finland in the war between the 2 countries. 2.The allied forces overran the Nazis without local support. The Nazis overran France without local support.
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1. Don't kow can't comment.
2. Overrun is not the same as holding the territory, Germany is German today, even the USSRs attempt to hold east Germany faild.
Same thing with France.
 
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rietrot said:
1. Don't kow can't comment.
2. Overrun is not the same as holding the territory, Germany is German today, even the USSRs attempt to hold east Germany faild.
Same thing with France.
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It failed decades later due in part to the USSR.
 
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greg0205 said:
I thought your trolling was weak earlier, but just look at you now.
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Fascism is born out of the French enlightenment. They are honest nationalistic socialist that believe the government should control most aspects of life for the greater good. Unlike other socialist/communist that have ridiculous dreams of utopia.

Maybe Russia is somewhat Fascists just like the rest of the world at this moment, just like you with your beliefs that governments should control everything(just the government you like, the enemy isn't allowed to do the exact same thing)

This is not my preference. I have commented on my own political views multiple times. I have no objection against Russia being Fascists if that's what they want. I am not Russian so it is not my problem. And I'm no globalist authoritarian so I do not wish to force my views, which are objectively better on them.
 
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Defonotaltaccount said:
Do you have a percentage in mind or what ?
Explain clearly.

Id say they obeyed the charter which prohibits the use of threats.

When you gonna answer some of mine ?
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I'll answer yours when this doesn't happen:

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konfab said:
Read what Riettie said:


In France, they surrendered to the Nazis and the Nazis had themselves a puppet government:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

Marching in with tanks and destroying anything in sight when you have superior firepower is relatively easy. If you don't want to do that, you have to go in slowly and root out pockets of resistance. Which means you need local support to do that.

When the allies invaded Europe, they had already setup resistance in pretty much every theatre of war they entered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance

Even in Vietnam, the US had relatively good control over the south, which was why they could hold it until local US support for South Vietnam fell:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

And yes, I still stand by my thesis that if the US went total war in north Vietnam, they would have won.
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Germany held French, Dutch, Belgian and Polish territory without local support.

Theyheld large swathes of Russian territory without local support.
 
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rietrot said:
I would not put doing something so stupid past the CIA or someone in the US, but it really does just help Russia.

Russia struggled between deciding how much money they still wanted to make selling gas to Europe vs shutting down the gas.

That's now decided by a forced shutdown
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No one knows who did it at this point. NS2 wasn't even online. One wonders if it was ever going to be used in future. NS1 was operating very low capacity.
 
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buka001 said:
Germany held French, Dutch, Belgian and Polish territory without local support.

Theyheld large swathes of Russian territory without local support.
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Well if you are using ridiculously small time frame inside the war thats completely meaningless then sure Germany held Russian territory. For all of one or two years. Great. What did that get them.
 
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konfab said:
Because they were not committed to total war. Same reason why they failed in Vietnam.
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You can't really do total war on the other side of the planet. Or a meaningful occupation were you convert the territory into your own Japan is probably the best example where the US succeeded and the exception. Even installing a puppet government to hold a territory usually fail because corruption and it just becomes an unsustainable money pit.
 
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rietrot said:
You can't really do total war on the other side of the planet.
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Why not ? It is all in the ability to project force..
The us for one has spent a lot of time and trouble working on doing that.
Never mind they have allies in that side of the world that can provide basing etc
 
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