Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 6

[Cray]

oh god this childish nonsense retort again

it proves nothing aside from showing that you concede

pretty much like some people here employ the word "buttercup", pure capitulation, I gracefully accept your surrender

I don't think you have ever done anything gracefully in your life, but carry on.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

I can't... I just, I really can't. Wow

and yet, you did, not a man of strong conviction it seems ...

 

[Kung Fu Porkchop]

and yet, you did, not a man of strong conviction it seems ...

Go play in traffic. You are too far gone to be saved.

How f***ing dense can one person be?

 

[buka001]

you mean a cool summary of the FACTS

how convenient to, more than a decade apart, create a distraction in the press and blame Russia for something it didn't do by using a prior case of something it might have done

listing 3 incidents and having 2 out of the 3 be false flags apparently is a "win" to you, if Russia ever did anything wrong in its history that proves every future allegation against it as true, right?

Strange how in all your claims about falsely blaming Russia for MH-17 and this, you never, ever post anything factual?

You just throw a lot of words and insults out.

You never bring an analysis of photographs, or any type of evidence that supports your claims or rebuts the claims of others.

Never, ever.

 

[Cray]

you mean a cool summary of the FACTS

how convenient to, more than a decade apart, create a distraction in the press and blame Russia for something it didn't do by using a prior case of something it might have done

listing 3 incidents and having 2 out of the 3 be false flags apparently is a "win" to you, if Russia ever did anything wrong in its history that proves every future allegation against it as true, right?

Tell me o wise, one, what was the point of these so-called false flags?

What would Ukraine achieve by supposedly shooting down MH17, a plane filled with citizens of the following countries? MH17 was shot down in 2014, what changed as a result of this supposed false flag?

The nationalities of the people who were killed on MH17

Australia	27
Belgium	4
Canada	1
Germany	4
Indonesia	12
Malaysia	43
Netherlands	193
New Zealand	1
Philippines	3
United Kingdom	10

Strangely, not one of these countries has raised concerns about it being a false flag, not even the non-western aligned countries like Malaysia, Indonesia or the Philippines.

But you, from your comfy chair on the Southern tip of Africa, clearly know the real truth...?

 

[Mirai]

Oh, the one like when the ukrops shot a Polish tractor? Got ya. Much like the gulf of tonkin, a false flag is what it is, yeah?

Most Polish people support Ukraine. One of the guys who died was actually involved in helping them. Your concern trolling is noted.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594656769330102277

 

[Mirai]

How about this one:
How Ukrainian media are justifying the execution of Russian fighters in Makiivka

The video doing the rounds shows a Russian opening fire while the Ukrainians had their guard down in response to the Russians lying on the ground. What we know so far does not indicate that this was an execution but a justified response by soldiers who were in the process of taking Russians captive when one of the Russians appeared to commit perfidy. So unless you have proof otherwise you're just making stuff up. The onus is on you to prove a crime was committed and beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What would Ukraine achieve by supposedly shooting down MH17, a plane filled with citizens of the following countries? MH17 was shot down in 2014, what changed as a result of this supposed false flag?

Russia itself as well as the so called "Russian" separatists have similar motive problems for this act

what did either of them gain? what could they possibly have hoped to gain? what has changed other than Russia being portrayed as the bad guys yet again?

I say "similar" as it is not quite the same, anyone with a functioning braincell or two could predict that Russia would immediately be blamed ... Ukraine with all its corruption and Nazis are suddenly the darlings of the west, you don't think any of that is purely because of "Russia = bad" PR ...

best guess: whoever did it, might have done it by mistake thinking they're targeting something else, and guaranteed whoever did it would do all it can to blame someone else for it (*cough* looking at you Ukraine *cough*)

if it was a deliberate act ... well then the guilty party is more despicable than I dare imagine, and given the obvious party that was always going to take the blame I'd bet if it was deliberate Ukraine is the most likely culprit

if it was a case of mistaking the target for someone/something else it could be either side

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Strangely, not one of these countries has raised concerns about it being a false flag, not even the non-western aligned countries like Malaysia, Indonesia or the Philippines

err, yeah you ought to chat to some of those people, regular people, not the governments who represent them

I've met at least a couple of Malaysians who are cheering on the destruction of Ukraine, they are beyond convinced Ukraine shot that plane down

 

[Mirai]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594461373878108165

Click to see the actual 1890s caption.

 

[Mirai]

err, yeah you ought to chat to some of those people, regular people, not the governments who represent them

I've met at least a couple of Malaysians who are cheering on the destruction of Ukraine, they are beyond convinced Ukraine shot that plane down

Ordinary people, like these Russian speaking Ukrainians:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594610557344268289

 

[Cray]

Russia itself as well as the so called "Russian" separatists have similar motive problems for this act

what did either of them gain? what could they possibly have hoped to gain? what has changed other than Russia being portrayed as the bad guys yet again?

I say "similar" as it is not quite the same, anyone with a functioning braincell or two could predict that Russia would immediately be blamed ... Ukraine with all its corruption and Nazis are suddenly the darlings of the west, you don't think any of that is purely because of "Russia = bad" PR ...

best guess: whoever did it, might have done it by mistake thinking they're targeting something else, and guaranteed whoever did it would do all it can to blame someone else for it (*cough* looking at you Ukraine *cough*)

if it was a deliberate act ... well then the guilty party is more despicable than I dare imagine, and given the obvious party that was always going to take the blame I'd bet if it was deliberate Ukraine is the most likely culprit

if it was a case of mistaking the target for someone/something else it could be either side

You called it a false flag though, a false flag is an act perpetrated intentionally to implicate another party? *If* Ukraine shot down MH17 accidentally or by mistake then it's not a false flag.

 

[buka001]

Russia itself as well as the so called "Russian" separatists have similar motive problems for this act

what did either of them gain? what could they possibly have hoped to gain? what has changed other than Russia being portrayed as the bad guys yet again?

I say "similar" as it is not quite the same, anyone with a functioning braincell or two could predict that Russia would immediately be blamed ... Ukraine with all its corruption and Nazis are suddenly the darlings of the west, you don't think any of that is purely because of "Russia = bad" PR ...

best guess: whoever did it, might have done it by mistake thinking they're targeting something else, and guaranteed whoever did it would do all it can to blame someone else for it (*cough* looking at you Ukraine *cough*)

if it was a deliberate act ... well then the guilty party is more despicable than I dare imagine, and given the obvious party that was always going to take the blame I'd bet if it was deliberate Ukraine is the most likely culprit

if it was a case of mistaking the target for someone/something else it could be either side

That's nice, except for the facts that show a BUK system being transported from a Russian base into Donetsk up to a launch location, firing the missile moments before MH-17 was hit, then being pulled out of Donetsk, back into Russia, with one missile missing.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

You called it a false flag though, a false flag is an act perpetrated intentionally to implicate another party? *If* Ukraine shot down MH17 accidentally or by mistake then it's not a false flag.

if they blame Russia for it, accident or not, it is a false flag

you can implicate another party with or without having planned it beforehand, if that other party happens to be a nation state, that's a false flag

 

[Cray]

err, yeah you ought to chat to some of those people, regular people, not the governments who represent them

I've met at least a couple of Malaysians who are cheering on the destruction of Ukraine, they are beyond convinced Ukraine shot that plane down

So you found two Malaysians in the world who read and believe the same sh*tty sources you do, yeah, that's not very impressive.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So you found two Malaysians in the world who read and believe the same sh*tty sources you do, yeah, that's not very impressive.

your readiness to judge people you have never met, who have lost actual family on that plane, is disgusting

 

[Cray]

if they blame Russia for it, accident or not, it is a false flag

you can implicate another party with or without having planned it beforehand, if that other party happens to be a nation state, that's a false flag

Are you making up definitions again?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/false flag

a hostile or harmful action (such as an attack) that is designed to look like it was perpetrated by someone other than the person or group

responsible for it

 

[Cray]

your readiness to judge people you have never met, who have lost actual family on that plane, is disgusting

People who have lost family aren't immune to criticism for believing nonsense.

How often do you criticise Ukrainians who have lost loved ones, hypocrite.

 

[Daveogg]

potent super secret Russian poison that ... didn't even kill its target nor infect anybody from the public despite its supposed radiation potency and despite being put on the outside of the damn front door

Novichok
Radiation?
No-one public A(in)fected

I think you need a fact update.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

People who have lost family aren't immune to criticism for believing nonsense.

How often do you criticise Ukrainians who have lost loved ones, hypocrite.

touched a nerve I see, the truth can be uncomfortable sometimes, I understand