Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 6

[Dave]

Warming things up for the Russ troops

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594726002080583684

 

[Arthur]

Mmm. Unofficially it seems the Swedes have pretty conclusive proof that the NordStream pipeline was blown up from inside the pipe, which means the explosives could only have been introduced at the head of the pipe in Russia. All the evidence points to Russia.

But Europe and the USA really don't want to publicise this at all, or make it official. Peter Zeihan explains why.

 

[Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594622898186002432

 

[Paulsie]

It's weird how you dislike the West but the sort of criticism you level at governments and society is the sort of thing that will get you locked up in Russia. I just don't understand it myself, I guess people don't appreciate those sort of freedoms until they lose them//

So basically, you shouldn't use your freedoms and criticize the West, because you would get killed for doing so in Russia?
Then you end your post by saying people don't appreciate their freedoms, while sailing it to a person who's actually practicing it????

 

[MiW]

NATO Parliamentary Assembly Designates Russia Terrorist Regime

The NATO Parliamentary Assembly has designated the Russian Federation and its regime as terrorist.

www.eurointegration.com.ua

 

[ToxicBunny]

NATO Parliamentary Assembly Designates Russia Terrorist Regime

The NATO Parliamentary Assembly has designated the Russian Federation and its regime as terrorist.

www.eurointegration.com.ua

Oh noes. Narrow is gonna have a hernia and froth at the mouth.

 

[Dave]

Oh noes. Narrow is gonna have a hernia and froth at the mouth.

Well, he is a bit of a buttercup snowflake, isn't he?

 

[Cray]

So basically, you shouldn't use your freedoms and criticize the West, because you would get killed for doing so in Russia?

Nope, am questioning why people assume that Russia is superior while doing things that would be banned in Russia.

Then you end your post by saying people don't appreciate their freedoms, while sailing it to a person who's actually practicing it????

Again, people using their freedoms and praising Russia over Western society while being ignorant of the fact that they wouldn't be free to do just that in Russia, its baffling..

 

[Cray]

Oh noes. Narrow is gonna have a hernia and froth at the mouth.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Have you ever admitted to being wrong, in your life?

many, many times

difficult to "admit" it when I'm right however, which is the case here

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Narrow and the English language have a very complicated relationship.

speak for yourself, if you can't comprehend the difference between attributing an act and the act itself that would be your problem and yours alone

not mine and certainly not the English language

 

[Cray]

many, many times

Care to link an example on this forum?

 

[Paulsie]

Comrade, nice to have you back but not so good to see you sitting on the wrong side of the fence.

And I use those platitudes very loosely.

@pinball wizard - you naughty boy!! Consider yourself rebuked. Now be a good boy and go sit on the right side of the fence.

 

[Paulsie]

LOL, tell me you don't know what fascism is without telling me.

Actually, the words fascism and fascist have long been associated with the Fascisti of Benito Mussolini and the fasces, the bundle of rods with an ax among them, which the Fascisti used as a symbol of the Italian people united and obedient to the single authority of the state.

So he's actually correct as any enforcement to the opposition to the state or a group of people can be viewed as fascist.

 

[Paulsie]

You called it a false flag though, a false flag is an act perpetrated intentionally to implicate another party? *If* Ukraine shot down MH17 accidentally or by mistake then it's not a false flag.

Well it would be though, wouldnt it. As by keeping quiet, they would be allowing foe Russia to be implicated herself.

 

[Cray]

Actually, the words fascism and fascist have long been associated with the Fascisti of Benito Mussolini and the fasces, the bundle of rods with an ax among them, which the Fascisti used as a symbol of the Italian people united and obedient to the single authority of the state.

So he's actually correct as any enforcement to the opposition to the state or a group of people can be viewed as fascist.

Enforcement of immigration law is not fascist, or do you think countries have a duty to accept immigrants that are opposed to the values of the country they are moving to?

They didn't silence her, they didn't jail her, they just decided that, as a non permanent residence immigrant, they didn't desire to have her remain in their country.

 

[Paulsie]

no need for that, I'm simply right and you are simply wrong, false flag is the act of attribution to another party, regardless of who performed the actual act

false flag

1. a flag flown on a ship to hide which country it comes from or which side it…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Definition of false flag | Dictionary.com

False flag definition, an attack or other hostile action that obscures the identity of the participants carrying out the action while implicating another group or nation as the perpetrator (often used attributively): Evidence suggests that the covert operation was a false flag.The false flag...

www.dictionary.com

Don't evem try. Your source has not been approved by the groupthink, therefore making your post BS..

 

[chrisc]

Is the beginning of the end of Russia becoming clearer? Will a coup topple Putin?

A civil war is inevitable" - Putin agent expects coup​

Is Russia on the verge of chaos? A Russian Domestic Intelligence Service (FSB)
whistleblower, from whom emails were leaked, warns of an impending civil war.

Jonas Bucher

That's what it's about​

• Leaked emails from FSB agents warn of a civil war in Russia.
• Yevgeny Prigoschin, head of the Wagner mercenary group, is said to be preparing a bloody putsch.
• The agents fear that Russia will sink into "total chaos".

Writing regular messages to Russian dissident-in-exile Vladimir Osechkin, an agent dubbed the "Wind of Change" reveals the anger and dissatisfaction within the Russian Intelligence Service (FSB) over the war that began with Russia's February 24invasion of Ukraine . Osechkin is a Russian human rights activist who runs the anti-corruption website Gulagu.net. The emails were provided to Newsweek by Igor Sushko, executive director of the Wind of Change Research Group, a Washington-based nonprofit. Sushko translated the correspondence from Russian into English.

Russia will sink into "terror".​

Previous FSB letters written by the same whistleblower and published by Osechkin were analyzed by Christo Grozev, an expert for the FSB. He said he showed the emails to two FSB officers who "had no doubt that they were written by a colleague." The agent's most recent emails in November describe civil unrest and conflict within the Kremlin. An "inevitable" civil war is predicted - Russia will soon "descend into the abyss of terror" as the people grow weary of war.

Prigozhin and Kadyrov as a threat to Putin​

The whistleblower focuses on Yevgeny Prigozhin , an ally of Putin and founder of the Wagner mercenary force, and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov . Both Prigozhin and Kadyrov have consistently criticized the way in which Putin's war against Ukraine is being conducted and appear to be partly supportive of one another, suggesting that cracks may be forming within the Kremlin. The US think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW) also came to the conclusion at the end of October that Prigozhin and his military group "could pose a threat to Putin's rule". The FSB agent said, however, that "there is no 'simple transfer of power' model" in Russia.

"There is no way to change everything in Russia so that the country functions as a whole and does not fall into the abyss of terror," says the email, which describes how a civil war in the country would play out.

Prigozhin cannot simply be suppressed​

“In the beginning it could be a random riot, with nothing but looting and chaotic skirmishes between everyone involved. Let me try to explain: the struggle of the security agencies against the structures of Prigozhin, a real war against each other, is bad, but generally inevitable," writes the agent. «Or there will be fights between the regions over the sharing of resources. Or a tussle between different forces for control of regions or parts of the country."

But the country could also descend into total chaos: the whistleblower hinted that if the Kremlin posed a threat to Putin's rule, it would not be easy to repress Prigozhin. "And when the particularly 'clever' executives in the FSB gloss over Prigozhin as alien to the system and say we have a structure that can neutralize him if necessary, that's nonsense."

“We could lose control of the country”​

In an even more urgent Nov. 8 email, FSB whistleblower Osechkin warned that Prigozhin was preparing brigades for “internal Russian terror” amid a spate of protests and unrest in several regions of Russia over reports of fierce fighting more than 1,000 Russians were killed in Ukraine within three days. "If everything goes according to Prigozhin's scenario, we will lose both control and the country," she concluded.

 

[Paulsie]

I have to ask, but are you guys visually impaired?

View attachment 1426213

Maybe that's the ghost of Kiev making the white background, standing between the soldiers and the flags

 

[nivek]

Is the beginning of the end of Russia becoming clearer? Will a coup topple Putin?

A civil war is inevitable" - Putin agent expects coup​

Is Russia on the verge of chaos? A Russian Domestic Intelligence Service (FSB)
whistleblower, from whom emails were leaked, warns of an impending civil war.

Jonas Bucher

That's what it's about​

• Leaked emails from FSB agents warn of a civil war in Russia.
• Yevgeny Prigoschin, head of the Wagner mercenary group, is said to be preparing a bloody putsch.
• The agents fear that Russia will sink into "total chaos".

Writing regular messages to Russian dissident-in-exile Vladimir Osechkin, an agent dubbed the "Wind of Change" reveals the anger and dissatisfaction within the Russian Intelligence Service (FSB) over the war that began with Russia's February 24invasion of Ukraine . Osechkin is a Russian human rights activist who runs the anti-corruption website Gulagu.net. The emails were provided to Newsweek by Igor Sushko, executive director of the Wind of Change Research Group, a Washington-based nonprofit. Sushko translated the correspondence from Russian into English.

Russia will sink into "terror".​

Previous FSB letters written by the same whistleblower and published by Osechkin were analyzed by Christo Grozev, an expert for the FSB. He said he showed the emails to two FSB officers who "had no doubt that they were written by a colleague." The agent's most recent emails in November describe civil unrest and conflict within the Kremlin. An "inevitable" civil war is predicted - Russia will soon "descend into the abyss of terror" as the people grow weary of war.

Prigozhin and Kadyrov as a threat to Putin​

The whistleblower focuses on Yevgeny Prigozhin , an ally of Putin and founder of the Wagner mercenary force, and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov . Both Prigozhin and Kadyrov have consistently criticized the way in which Putin's war against Ukraine is being conducted and appear to be partly supportive of one another, suggesting that cracks may be forming within the Kremlin. The US think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW) also came to the conclusion at the end of October that Prigozhin and his military group "could pose a threat to Putin's rule". The FSB agent said, however, that "there is no 'simple transfer of power' model" in Russia.

"There is no way to change everything in Russia so that the country functions as a whole and does not fall into the abyss of terror," says the email, which describes how a civil war in the country would play out.

Prigozhin cannot simply be suppressed​

“In the beginning it could be a random riot, with nothing but looting and chaotic skirmishes between everyone involved. Let me try to explain: the struggle of the security agencies against the structures of Prigozhin, a real war against each other, is bad, but generally inevitable," writes the agent. «Or there will be fights between the regions over the sharing of resources. Or a tussle between different forces for control of regions or parts of the country."

But the country could also descend into total chaos: the whistleblower hinted that if the Kremlin posed a threat to Putin's rule, it would not be easy to repress Prigozhin. "And when the particularly 'clever' executives in the FSB gloss over Prigozhin as alien to the system and say we have a structure that can neutralize him if necessary, that's nonsense."

“We could lose control of the country”​

In an even more urgent Nov. 8 email, FSB whistleblower Osechkin warned that Prigozhin was preparing brigades for “internal Russian terror” amid a spate of protests and unrest in several regions of Russia over reports of fierce fighting more than 1,000 Russians were killed in Ukraine within three days. "If everything goes according to Prigozhin's scenario, we will lose both control and the country," she concluded.

Is that supposed to be a good thing?
Putin is evil but those warlords are probably worse and the last thing we need is Russias nuclear arsenal being under their control