Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 6

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Paulsie said:
Well your problem is that your pal Zelensky is not really in charge of the country. The right wing (wannabe reformed) Nazis are. So the point stands.

Ukraine is run by Nazis. Zelensky is just a figurehead president who will get removed or terminated if he opposes the real power in Ukraine.

So to summarize - Ukraine is NOT Nazi, Zelensky is not Nazi, but Ukraine is controlled by Nazis.

The rest of your post is just a waffle.
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What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

Yes Ukrainian government is Nazi because they oppose your Russian Mir the one which gives you the warm fuzzies because you have the Stockholm Syndrome from Soviet times. Oh that Russian language, how beautiful she is.
 
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Paulsie said:
I didn't say he was a puppet, I said he was powerless. Don't make up fairytales and smokescreen.
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The Russians are not anti-Nazi. They supported Hitler until the time he invaded them in June 1941.

The Soviet Union returned refugee German Jews and Communists to Hitler.

There is no ideological issue between Russia and any "Nazis". The only thing they got upset over was when German NSDAP attacked them in 1941. It's really is that anybody who does not want to be assimilated by the Russian Borg is a Nazi.

Unlike you, I provide proof:
ccl.org.ua

RIA NOVOSTI has clarified Russia’s plans vis-à-vis Ukraine and the rest of the free world in a program like article: What Russia should do with Ukraine?

Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. We do not need Nazi (read Ukrainian), Bandera type of Ukraine (read Ukrainian), as the enemy of Russia and the West’s tool for the destruction of Russia. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into...
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Mirai said:
Someone responded, your kitty friend: oh but some Jews in Israel may not recognise him as a Jew because of baptism.
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If that is what you understood me to say, all I can say is ai fok Meraai.

You tried debunking the radicals in Ukraine by holding up Zelensky as being Jewish. All I did was showing you what type of Jew he is in reality and why it's a BS argument. The rest is all on you.

In reality what you did was trying to say the ANC in South Africa cannot be racist because they have a Carl Niehaus. Except in Ukrainian context people voted for a Carl Niehaus, an actor, think about that. When he won, he was hijacked by Nazis embedded in the political system as a figurehead. That tells you a lot.

The movement to revise history is strong in you, just like in the Ukraine. Example:
Georgy Omelchenko, former general of the SBU, parliamant member and Hero of Ukraine,
compared the election of President Zelensky to Hirler's rise to power. "This is pretty much how the
fuhrer Adolf Hitler, became an authoritarian ruler in Germany in 1933
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Try find that. Never happened! Yet remnants still remain at https://www.ohchr.org/

Let's also talk about this total kak you spew, gaslighting who I don't know:
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At least you're honest about your total ignorance of the subject.

How about maybe Ukraine sees itself as part of the West? And just wants to be sovereign the way Russia promised in the Budapest Memorandum? The Memorandum which helped avoid nuclear proliferation.
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Suddenly, just like you're trying to whitewash Ukrainian radicals to a non-existent status, you're now deliberately whitewashing and making off as non-existent years of strife within the Ukraine between north-western pro-west and south-eastern pro-Russian Ukrainians, trying to rewrite history. Just like farm murders do not exist in South Africa?

You forget why Zelensky was voted in? I guess there was no corruption in Ukraine after Maidan, it was all sorted? Yet then why was "Servants of the People" so popular if not to bring decent politicians to power, end corruption, bring peace to Ukraine. Why would that be needed? Or are you just saying none of it was true and he was just a good actor who deceived the whole Ukraine? His while campaign was based upon peace bringer for the Ukraine. Except he never told them he would lead them into war to then have to find a peace ...

I'm not sure who you're trying to bs, or just simping for the position of the EFF's new head of revisionist history.
"My Nasis are better than your Nazis" is rapidly becoming "We have no Nazis in the Ukraine, only Russia has".
 
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If that is what you understood me to say, all I can say is ai fok Meraai.

You tried debunking the radicals in Ukraine by holding up Zelensky as being Jewish. All I did was showing you what type of Jew he is in reality and why it's a BS argument. The rest is all on you.

In reality what you did was trying to say the ANC in South Africa cannot be racist because they have a Carl Niehaus. Except in Ukrainian context people voted for a Carl Niehaus, an actor, think about that. When he won, he was hijacked by Nazis embedded in the political system as a figurehead. That tells you a lot.

The movement to revise history is strong in you, just like in the Ukraine. Example:

Try find that. Never happened! Yet remnants still remain at https://www.ohchr.org/

Let's also talk about this total kak you spew, gaslighting who I don't know:

Suddenly, just like you're trying to whitewash Ukrainian radicals to a non-existent status, you're now deliberately whitewashing and making off as non-existent years of strife within the Ukraine between north-western pro-west and south-eastern pro-Russian Ukrainians, trying to rewrite history. Just like farm murders do not exist in South Africa?

You forget why Zelensky was voted in? I guess there was no corruption in Ukraine after Maidan, it was all sorted? Yet then why was "Servants of the People" so popular if not to bring decent politicians to power, end corruption, bring peace to Ukraine. Why would that be needed? Or are you just saying none of it was true and he was just a good actor who deceived the whole Ukraine? His while campaign was based upon peace bringer for the Ukraine. Except he never told them he would lead them into war to then have to find a peace ...

I'm not sure who you're trying to bs, or just simping for the position of the EFF's new head of revisionist history.
"My Nasis are better than your Nazis" is rapidly becoming "We have no Nazis in the Ukraine, only Russia has".
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George Orwell = Freedom is Slavery. Peace = War. Thanks for illustrating.
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Indeed, thank you.
 
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Howdy said:
If that is what you understood me to say, all I can say is ai fok Meraai.

You tried debunking the radicals in Ukraine by holding up Zelensky as being Jewish. All I did was showing you what type of Jew he is in reality and why it's a BS argument. The rest is all on you.
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See I was spot on. Many Jews in Nazi occupied territories were not religious and many were even Christian. The NSDAP did not care about their religion. Again if Ukraine is Nazi, they are based on the NSDAP and their racial ideologies and would not accept Zelensky regardless if was an Orthodox Jew with Peyot assembled hair or not.
 
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tetrasect said:
Supporting Russian invasion and oppression of Ukrainians = loving freedom.

Seek help.
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Supporting Russians? Simply becuase you're support Ukrainian politicians? That's like saying "Wrong hole" when somebody screws the pooch. The problem is not a wrong hole one, implying you're using the other one, the problem is it's a pooch.
 
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Paulsie said:
Was the comment of Yarosh some time ago to Zelensky (about betrayal of Ukraine and hanging from a tree if he makes a deal) a fake?

Also, here's an article from March. And before you object, I did check. Fair Observer is fact checked as left-leaning with HIGH reliability.

www.fairobserver.com

The Presence of Neo-Nazis in Ukraine

Russia is using the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine as a pretext for war, but the West is sweeping it under the rug.
www.fairobserver.com www.fairobserver.com
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The problem with people asking for a slight shred of evidence is you assuming they can read. I've previously supplied such evidence, interviews with radicals in the Ukraine from the Ukrainian media.

It just proves my point.
 
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Howdy said:
If that is what you understood me to say, all I can say is ai fok Meraai.
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Stick to talking about farm murders before some Ukrainians come along and tell you're they're BS because the ANC doesn't speak about them or speaks about ongoing abuse of blacks at the hands of white racists.
I could quote mine plenty of HRC and government statements and NGO groups saying how black people are still abused by whites. For example right now you'll hear that the UCT senate is keeping a black woman down as we speak.

jewishnews.com.ua

Генерал СБУ сравнил Зеленского с Гитлером

Бывший народный депутат и генерал СБУ Омельченко высказал "мнение" о Владимире Зеленском, сравнив его с Гитлером и пояснив, что у Зеленского - "комплекс Наполеона"
jewishnews.com.ua jewishnews.com.ua

I found the quote you mentioned there, but i don't see a substantiation for it. Who cares what a former SBU head says, it's one guy. Besides your pal, Paul, said that Zelensky was not like Hitler but was a puppet, Hitler was no puppet. So which one of you is correct then?

Neither because it's typical bollocks with clutching at straws. Ukraine enjoys some freedom of speech and people can talk k-k on air there, in Russia it's jail time for political plurality. We don't even know the context of this and that's all that's listed on your website and the attached link
 
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Howdy said:
The problem with people asking for a slight shred of evidence is you assuming they can read. I've previously supplied such evidence, interviews with radicals in the Ukraine from the Ukrainian media.

It just proves my point.
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You mean that doctored interview where the guy's interview was edited and taken out of context. That one guy who was a mere journo?

Yes we can all quote mine. The fact is Howdy that Ukraine is being attacked by a foreign power which threated NATO itself. Go and nitpick how Ukraine is not perfect and how "Nazis" grew there despite the close connections to Russia. Maybe it's time to let the EU and the former Nazi/Soviet occupied states have a hand at helping Ukraine be more democratic. Nazism is hated there more than in Russia which sucked Hitler's d1ck until he invaded them.

Like it or not Howdy, a million plus Ukrainians work in places like Poland and they want their country to prosper the way former Eastern Europe is prospering.
 
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The problem with people asking for a slight shred of evidence is you assuming they can read. I've previously supplied such evidence, interviews with radicals in the Ukraine from the Ukrainian media.

It just proves my point.
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You have no point. I know people who lost relatives to actual OUN/UPA. These people had grandparents and uncles who said Ukrainians were worse than Hitler. These people now support Ukraine. They have done business there. I also have relatives who run companies in Belarus. You're really clueless. Stick to farm murders in SA, that's your home and that's what you know about. Your whole spiel would be laughed at in countries bordering UA, in UA itself and in Belarus.

It's like quote mining Eugene Terblanche and claiming that white SAs are racists like that, who keep black people enslaved and beat them up.
 
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