Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

[tetrasect]

Wow, so you think the SU-57 will possibly be a game changed in this war?

For me if they do actively introduce it, it speaks volumes as to just how fscked Russia is, if they're prepared to risk their top flight jet, of which they only have 21 (and 10 of which are test bed vehicles)

If anyone were to use a 5th generation combat fighter jet to fight unarmed civilians it would be Russia.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Theres a link - https://www.furuno.com/en/technology/sonar/basic/view

But even that is old school now, omni where a 360 happens in 1 ping is the newer tech.

Sounds like Navy only likes using passive by what your saying.

No one ping will give 360 due to the propellor wash. Propellor wash appears as clutter. The reason for towed arrays.

According to my former submariner friend, using active sonar in a submarine defeats the entire objective of a submarine - Stealth and gives the position away. Active is used by helicopter sonobuoys in conjunction with a surface vessel's active sonar to prosecute a submarine contact by triangulation. Active sonar is not used as a defensive or patrolling measure. The entire crew cannot sleep because the sound of an active sonar is so loud inside a vessel. Therefore it's used for prosecution only.

Active sonar on search with no target also gives a submarine a perfect location of the surface vessel and firing solution. It will also mask the sound of an approaching torpedo launched by a submarine. So, unless the surface vessel is prosecuting a sub, active sonar is not used.

 

[buka001]

I see everybody is still arguing like it is going to change anything. What I find interesting is that soon the SU-57 is going to be fully introduced into the conflict as well as the marker combat drone. Would be interesting to see how that fairs. I don't have much hopes for it as it just seems a little iffy but should it deliver on what is claimed it could be a scary thing to encounter out in the field. Don't know how tough they are though.

Russia has already resorted to flying ballistic arcs to launch stand off long range missiles to kill civilians, so they can keep outside of the range of Ukrainian SAM's.

A handful of poor performing fighter jets won't bring in any new strategic advantages, that their current long range bombers' don't already have.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

I didn't get this. Don't know about Russia much really. Is it encroachment/annexation related ?

Maybe ......

 

[Matata]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614941784861298689

 

[Kaapie]

If you fire a missile intended to kill people and it ends up going astray and killing someone else then the fault is 100% with the person who fired the missile.

FYI
Gaza.
Not at War.
But not blonde or blue eyed.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

This is an appeal to emotion fallacy. Try harder next time.

The Russian missle was diverted away from it's military target by Ukrainian missile defence systems. The blame is 50/50 here for her death.

Russia attacked UA, not the other way round.

UA must be really good at diverting Russian missiles because this isnt the first and wont be the last of such incidents.

And I am guessing the UN got it wrong too

Almost seven months to the day since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, UN-appointed independent human rights investigators said that war crimes have indeed been committed in the conflict.

UN report details summary executions of civilians by Russian troops in northern Ukraine​

And I spose HRW got it wrong

Human Rights Watch has documented several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine.

And this guy was coerced

A Russian soldier accused of killing an unarmed civilian has pleaded guilty in the first war crimes trial since the country's invasion of Ukraine.

Dunno, I am not there and am certainly not the expert in this area.

 

[tetrasect]

FYI
Gaza.
Not at War.
But not blonde or blue eyed.

So you agree then. Glad that's settled.

 

[Cray]

FYI
Gaza.
Not at War.
But not blonde or blue eyed.

And your point is? If you want to make a point about how the IDF should be blamed for stuff like that then I'll happily take part, not sure how it's relevant to this discussion though...

And for your information, I have participated in many threads criticizing both sides of that conflict long before you ever came to this forum. So take your snide insinuations about racism and shove it.

 

[Kaapie]

So you agree then. Glad that's settled.

and of course the world record holders. Double standard awards.

 

[Grant]

and of course the world record holders. Double standard awards.

Perhaps 2 religions.
One side keeps firing rockets into civilian areas, and the other retaliates by firing missiles into residential areas.

 

[tetrasect]

Anyone trying to deny Russia's targeted slaughtering of innocent civilians can go fck themselves right up the ass.

They literally encircled Mariupol, shot anyone trying to escape and then carpet bombed the city.

Fck Russia and fck all of those who support their actions.

On 9 March, Russian planes dropped several bombs on Mariupol maternity hospital number 3, destroying the building. Seventeen people were injured and three died as a result of the airstrike.[55][56]

On 13 March, the Red Cross warned that the siege had become a humanitarian crisis.[57] A month into the conflict, Ukrainian authorities said that about 90% of buildings in Mariupol were damaged or destroyed.[58] An aid worker from the Red Cross described the conditions there as "apocalyptic", with concerns for the humanitarian situation being severe damage to infrastructure, access to sanitation, and food shortages.[59]

On 16 March, the Russian attacking forces dropped a bomb on the Mariupol Drama Theater. The central part of the building was destroyed. At the time of the air strike, civilians and refugees were hiding in the theater's basement. The Neptune Basin building was also destroyed by an air strike.

On 19 March 2022, a Ukrainian police officer in Mariupol made a video in which he said, "Children, elderly people are dying. The city is destroyed and it is wiped off the face of the earth." The video was authenticated by the Associated Press.[60] Russian forces in Mariupol have been accused of human rights violations and war crimes.

By 18 March, Mariupol was completely encircled and fighting reached the city centre, hampering civilian evacuation efforts.[63]

On 20 March, an art school in the city, which was sheltering around 400 people, was destroyed by a Russian bombing.[64] The same day, as Russian forces continued their siege of the city, the Russian government demanded a full surrender, which several Ukrainian government officials refused.[65][66]

On 27 March, Ukraine's deputy prime minister, Olha Stefanishyna, stated that "[Mariupol's inhabitants] don't have access to water, to any food supplies, to anything. More than 85 percent of the whole town is destroyed," and that Russia's objectives have "nothing to do with humanity".[69] In a telephone conversation between Russian President Vladimir Putin and French President Emmanuel Macron on 29 March, Putin stated that bombardment of Mariupol would only end when Ukrainian troops fully surrender Mariupol given the advanced state of devastation in the nearly captured city.[70]

On 11 April 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated that Mariupol had been "completely destroyed".[71][72]

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[MiW]

What was that about the West pushing Ukraine into a debt trap? USA help is still free of charge to date and here is the EU loans.

Price of Saving Ukraine. On What Conditions EU Allocates €18 Billion to Kyiv

“European Pravda” has found out on what conditions the EU will transfer Kyiv €18 billion...

www.eurointegration.com.ua

35 years without interest

The government makes clear that €18 billion are not for military expenses. "We have agreed with the EU, and we adhere to it, that their funds go to humanitarian needs, not on financing security and aid," Stefanishyna said. However, whatever the intended purpose, Ukraine receives this debt aid.

Some EU states, primarily Germany, wanted to allocate money to Ukraine as a grant, as the USA did last year. This idea did not find unanimous support. As a compromise, they agreed on extremely favourable conditions which guarantee that the loan of €18 billion will not put Ukraine in a "money pit."


First, the loan repayment period is due within 35 years. The EU has never lent money to Ukraine for such a long time. Last year's macro-financial assistance was for 25 years. It was usually about a 15-year term before the war.

Secondly, Ukraine will have to repay its debt not before 2033, according to EU Council. This is an unprecedentedly long grace period.

Moreover, it is not ruled out that the debt could be written off or the seized funds of the Russian Federation will repay it.

Thirdly, Ukraine will not pay interest and other loan services. The EU made a political decision to avoid the side effects of the "macrofin" for Kyiv. After all, even with preferential interest, debt service of €18 billion is expensive. For this, Brussels came up with the mechanism of "interest subsidy": the interest will be paid by EU countries instead of Ukraine.

 

[Unhappy438]

and of course the world record holders. Double standard awards.

Go make your relevant thread and cry there.

 

[tetrasect]

and of course the world record holders. Double standard awards.

You think you're pointing out our double-standards when you're actually pointing out your own.

 

[MiW]

 

[Unhappy438]

What was that about the West pushing Ukraine into a debt trap? USA help is still free of charge to date and here is the EU loans.

Price of Saving Ukraine. On What Conditions EU Allocates €18 Billion to Kyiv

“European Pravda” has found out on what conditions the EU will transfer Kyiv €18 billion...

www.eurointegration.com.ua

35 years without interest

The government makes clear that €18 billion are not for military expenses. "We have agreed with the EU, and we adhere to it, that their funds go to humanitarian needs, not on financing security and aid," Stefanishyna said. However, whatever the intended purpose, Ukraine receives this debt aid.

Some EU states, primarily Germany, wanted to allocate money to Ukraine as a grant, as the USA did last year. This idea did not find unanimous support. As a compromise, they agreed on extremely favourable conditions which guarantee that the loan of €18 billion will not put Ukraine in a "money pit."


First, the loan repayment period is due within 35 years. The EU has never lent money to Ukraine for such a long time. Last year's macro-financial assistance was for 25 years. It was usually about a 15-year term before the war.

Secondly, Ukraine will have to repay its debt not before 2033, according to EU Council. This is an unprecedentedly long grace period.

Moreover, it is not ruled out that the debt could be written off or the seized funds of the Russian Federation will repay it.

Thirdly, Ukraine will not pay interest and other loan services. The EU made a political decision to avoid the side effects of the "macrofin" for Kyiv. After all, even with preferential interest, debt service of €18 billion is expensive. For this, Brussels came up with the mechanism of "interest subsidy": the interest will be paid by EU countries instead of Ukraine.

Fantastic news, Russia will also be contributing many many billions with money the West has appropriated. Thanks Russian orcs.

 

[Major Boredom]

Anyone trying to deny Russia's targeted slaughtering of innocent civilians can go fck themselves right up the ass.

They literally encircled Mariupol, shot anyone trying to escape and then carpet bombed the city.

Fck Russia and fck all of those who support their actions.

There is a reason why I refer to the russian supporters as russian lover scum
Supporters of the deliberate rape/murder/assault and kidnapping of civilian children/women and men

See we have had a few new ones these last couple of weeks.

 

[ForceFate]

Rotating back to that BS again?

He misplaced the new script.

 

[sdrawk]

Anyone trying to deny Russia's targeted slaughtering of innocent civilians can go fck themselves right up the ass.

They literally encircled Mariupol, shot anyone trying to escape and then carpet bombed the city.

Fck Russia and fck all of those who support their actions.

The Ignore button is getting a lot of usage today