Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

[Blu82]

Frome here:



And for some reason the poor old sod does not want to include this:

The conflict in Ukraine’s Donbas region is escalating rapidly

Russian-backed separatists appear responsible for ratcheting-up hostilities in recent days

www.economist.com

Shelling intensifies in eastern Ukraine amid concern Russia's creating a pretext for an invasion

Russian-backed separatists accuse Ukraine's forces of planning an imminent attack and announce a massive evacuation of civilians to Russia.

www.cbsnews.com

Ukraine conflict: Rebels declare general mobilisation as fighting grows

The breakaway territories go on a war footing amid fears Russia will use them as a pretext to invade.

www.bbc.com

Russian-backed separatists to evacuate civilians from eastern Ukraine, stoking invasion fears

The move comes amid a spike in shelling in the area, with tensions rising once again after the West disputed Moscow’s claims of a troop pullback.

www.nbcnews.com

You see, in 2014 there was an escalation in hostilies followed by thousands of civilian deaths.
Just before the Russian operation there was also an escalation.

His source is an independent human rights organisation while yours are news papers that profit from inflating figures.

 

[Blu82]

There are also videos of fields of Wagner mass graves, most conservative estimates are saying about 25k losses for Wagner over the last month or so, they are going to be a completely spent force in the next few weeks if they aren't already.

Wagner is attempting to recruit in Serbia at the moment.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Lol I love the Republicans? The Democrats and Repulicans are two cheeks of the same arse. The corrupted, crooked uniparty swamp.

The "I hate the USA" thread is that way --->

This is the Russo-Ukrainian war thread.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Well the US got away with far worse in Iraq. Have Bush, Cheney etc ever been tried in the Hague?
At least Putin is actually going in and protecting the 12 million or so Russians who live in eastern "Ukraine".

Why do they need protection and why didn't Putin give them lebensraum in Russia?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

One of the many things wrong with The USA is the way politicians collude with Big Pharma, the insurance companies and hospitals to keep healthcare in America astronomically high. What makes you think I support these swamp creatures?

Again, the "I hate the USA" thread is that way --->

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Was comparing the illegal, wicked US invasion of Iraq (based on a pack of lies - WMD) to Russia's operation in the Russian part of Ukraine (where they actually have legitimate interests). Keep your hair on.

So the reason for the Russian invasion of Ukraine was based on a pack of lies too then?

 

[Unhappy438]

Wagner is attempting to recruit in Serbia at the moment.

I've seen that, they have been trying to recruit in foreign countries for a long time now and the numbers haven't been great. I dont see them being able to replace all the losses with Serbs. They can try another jail run but at this point they are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

There was the small matter of the Minsk accords that the Ukranians kept breaking. Interesting that subsequent revelations from Merkel and Hollande have revealed that there was never any intention (from Ukraine and France and Germany) to honour the Minsk agreements. They were just a ruse so that Ukraine could buy time and arm itself for war.

Which part of the accords was broken? You need to elucidate your claims and support them.

 

[Blu82]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1615639892842905600

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Well according to 99% of the esteemed knowledgeable members on this thread ( and their media sources ) for almost a year now :
1. Putin's health should have seriously deteriorated by now because of some serious illness
2. Russia should be bankrupt by now.
3. Russia should have run out of missiles
4. Russia should have retreated back into the motherland because of inferior weapons

Giggling Gramps! Welcome to where you need to provide facts. Can you?

 

[Cray]

There was the small matter of the Minsk accords that the Ukranians kept breaking. Interesting that subsequent revelations from Merkel and Hollande have revealed that there was never any intention (from Ukraine and France and Germany) to honour the Minsk agreements. They were just a ruse so that Ukraine could buy time and arm itself for war.

A war that Russia was all too happy to start... Seems like Ukraine arming itself for war was a pretty prudent thing to do.

 

[MunosMachos]

He knows the facts. His government knows the facts. His job is to spread lies.

Old Mirai accused my of being a clone until we discovered PeterCH and Space_Chief.
You keep falsely accusing me of working for some government. I guess it will only be a matter of time until we discover which government you work for.

Well according to 99% of the esteemed knowledgeable members on this thread ( and their media sources ) for almost a year now :
1. Putin's health should have seriously deteriorated by now because of some serious illness
2. Russia should be bankrupt by now.
3. Russia should have run out of missiles
4. Russia should have retreated back into the motherland because of inferior weapons

"esteemed knowledgeable members on this thread" Aka - uncritical propagandists for the failing West.

Don't forget:
1) Russia bombed the Nordstream pipeline and the Kerch Strait Bridge.
2) Russia really really really went all out to take over Kiev at the beginning.
3) Putin really really really want the whole Ukraine.
4) Piano Peen President is a living legend.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Posting the facts about Ukrainians in the Donbas killed.... by Ukrainian armed forces. 33 times. Thanks man! Narrative confirmed. And don't forget to post the escalation that occurred in 2022 just before the Russians started. And don't lie again, you have not done that.

Oh, dear. Now it's the 33rd time. It only goes up to 2021 because Russia rolled into Ukraine on 24 February 2022. Tell me how many died between Jan 1 2022 and Feb 24 2022?

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2021-10/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2030%20September%202021%20%28rev%208%20Oct%202021%29%20EN.pdf

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

Civilian deaths per year:

25 in 2021
26 in 2020
27 in 2019
55 in 2018
117 in 2017
112 in 2016
954 in 2015
2084 in 2014

We can see that more than half each year from 2018 onwards were caused by unexploded munitions and mines.

Total conflict-related casualties in Ukraine in 2014-2021:

OHCHR estimates the total number of conflict-related casualties in Ukraine from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021 to be 51,000–54,0008: 14,200-14,400 killed (at least 3,404 civilians, estimated 4,400 Ukrainian forces, and estimated 6,500 members of armed groups), and 37-39,000 injured (7,000–9,000 civilians, 13,800–14,200 Ukrainian forces and 15,800-16,200 members of armed groups).

If it's not clear to those who refuse to comprehend, the figures above indicate that conflict-related deaths dramatically reduced in 2015 (by more than half), then reduced by a further 89 percent in 2016, held steady for a year, then reduced by an additional fifty percent (on the 2016/2017 number) in 2018, and another fifty percent (on the 2018 number) from 2019 onwards.

If anything those numbers appears to demonstrate a radical reduction in hostilities and, in the absence of other information, may in fact point to peace being achieved in the 'disputed' region.

Of course, Russia then rolled its tanks over the border and literally pulverised that trend.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You see, in 2014 there was an escalation in hostilies followed by thousands of civilian deaths.
Just before the Russian operation there was also an escalation.

Who escalated the hostilities?

 

[MunosMachos]

Oh, dear. Now it's the 33rd time. It only goes up to 2021 because Russia rolled into Ukraine on 24 February 2022. Tell me how many died between Jan 1 2022 and Feb 24 2022?

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2021-10/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2030%20September%202021%20%28rev%208%20Oct%202021%29%20EN.pdf

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

Civilian deaths per year:

25 in 2021
26 in 2020
27 in 2019
55 in 2018
117 in 2017
112 in 2016
954 in 2015
2084 in 2014

We can see that more than half each year from 2018 onwards were caused by unexploded munitions and mines.

Total conflict-related casualties in Ukraine in 2014-2021:

OHCHR estimates the total number of conflict-related casualties in Ukraine from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021 to be 51,000–54,0008: 14,200-14,400 killed (at least 3,404 civilians, estimated 4,400 Ukrainian forces, and estimated 6,500 members of armed groups), and 37-39,000 injured (7,000–9,000 civilians, 13,800–14,200 Ukrainian forces and 15,800-16,200 members of armed groups).

If it's not clear to those who refuse to comprehend, the figures above indicate that conflict-related deaths dramatically reduced in 2015 (by more than half), then reduced by a further 89 percent in 2016, held steady for a year, then reduced by an additional fifty percent (on the 2016/2017 number) in 2018, and another fifty percent (on the 2018 number) from 2019 onwards.

If anything those numbers appears to demonstrate a radical reduction in hostilities and, in the absence of other information, may in fact point to peace being achieved in the 'disputed' region.

Of course, Russia then rolled its tanks over the border and literally pulverised that trend.

Slow day or dementia kicking in again?
I got the perfect movie for you. Tell the nurse to put it on the telly.

 

[MunosMachos]

Who escalated the hostilities?

The separatists bombed themselves! We can add that one too:

1. Putin's health should have seriously deteriorated by now because of some serious illness
2. Russia should be bankrupt by now.
3. Russia should have run out of missiles
4. Russia should have retreated back into the motherland because of inferior weapons
5. Russia bombed the Nordstream pipeline and the Kerch Strait Bridge.
6. Russia really really really went all out to take over Kiev at the beginning.
7. Putin really really really want the whole Ukraine.
8. Piano Peen President is a living legend.
9. The February 2022 escalation was due to separatists bombing themselves.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Russia really really really went all out to take over Kiev at the beginning.

Oh, they did. Ria Novosti even stated it would take 3 days. Don't you remember the km's long line of tanks stranded without fuel?

Putin really really really want the whole Ukraine.

He does. Stated it a few times and said Moldova is next and then Poland.

 

[MunosMachos]

Oh, they did. Ria Novosti even stated it would take 3 days. Don't you remember the km's long line of tanks stranded without fuel?



He does. Stated it a few times and said Moldova is next and then Poland.

Keep posting

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Slow day or dementia kicking in again?
I got the perfect movie for you. Tell the nurse to put it on the telly.

So, you have no argument nor refutation so you resort to a childish personal attack questioning mental cognitivity which you are incapable of ascertaining and an irrelevant YT video?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

The separatists bombed themselves! We can add that one too:

No, they attacked Ukrainian forces with Russian supplied arms. When you do that you normally get hurt...