Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

[Blu82]

The Estonian ambassador is probably popping the champagne as we speak.

They have an even better response.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617491835709956097

 

[sefeddt]

Back and forth we go.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617481495555497985

 

[ToxicBunny]

Back and forth we go.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617481495555497985

This is definitely not doing Germany any favours.

I tend to agree with one of the Twitter replies saying that Poland will likely just send them anyway, what are Germany going to do? Institute Legal action and make themselves look even worse?

 

[Aghori]

Sending more weapons just means the loss of more lives... they need to come to a peaceful agreement that is beneficial to both sides.

 

[Cray]

Sending more weapons just means the loss of more lives... they need to come to a peaceful agreement that is beneficial to both sides.

What sort of agreement would you propose?

 

[BBSA]

Sending more weapons just means the loss of more lives... they need to come to a peaceful agreement that is beneficial to both sides.

Disagree, to ensure long term peace Russian must learn that their aggression have a high cost. They have done this kind of shít to many times..... time for them to learn the hard way.

Also, you can not nogotiate with an evil man like Putin.

 

[buka001]

Sending more weapons just means the loss of more lives... they need to come to a peaceful agreement that is beneficial to both sides.

"Peace for Our Time"

Neville Chamberlain, upon signing the Munich Pact with Nazi Germany.

 

[Kaapie]

What sort of agreement would you propose?

What Russia wanted a year ago:

1. Ukraine doesn't enter NATO and maintains a position of neutrality
2. Crimea is recognised as a territory of Russia
3. Independence is granted to the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk
4. Ukraine demilitarises and surrenders any weapons which constitute a threat to Russia
5. Ukraine goes through a process of denazification, which would essentially constitute a change of government based on Putin's previous words about the Ukrainian leadership.
6. Russian becomes the second official language of Ukraine and any laws which prohibit its use are repealed.

points 4 & 5 could have been negotiated around.

But now not sure, and 3 would now be 'recognised as part of Russia'. Thanks Boris & co.

 

[ToxicBunny]

What Russia wanted a year ago:

1. Ukraine doesn't enter NATO and maintains a position of neutrality
2. Crimea is recognised as a territory of Russia
3. Independence is granted to the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk
4. Ukraine demilitarises and surrenders any weapons which constitute a threat to Russia
5. Ukraine goes through a process of denazification, which would essentially constitute a change of government based on Putin's previous words about the Ukrainian leadership.
6. Russian becomes the second official language of Ukraine and any laws which prohibit its use are repealed.

points 4 & 5 could have been negotiated around.

But now not sure, and 3 would now be 'recognised as part of Russia'. Thanks Boris & co.

Bwahahahahahaha*breathes*hahahahaha

What Russia should not get :

Points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6.

 

[sefeddt]

What Russia wanted a year ago:

1. Ukraine doesn't enter NATO and maintains a position of neutrality
2. Crimea is recognised as a territory of Russia
3. Independence is granted to the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk
4. Ukraine demilitarises and surrenders any weapons which constitute a threat to Russia
5. Ukraine goes through a process of denazification, which would essentially constitute a change of government based on Putin's previous words about the Ukrainian leadership.
6. Russian becomes the second official language of Ukraine and any laws which prohibit its use are repealed.

points 4 & 5 could have been negotiated around.

But now not sure, and 3 would now be 'recognised as part of Russia'. Thanks Boris & co.

 

[Cray]

What Russia wanted a year ago:

1. Ukraine doesn't enter NATO and maintains a position of neutrality
2. Crimea is recognised as a territory of Russia
3. Independence is granted to the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk
4. Ukraine demilitarises and surrenders any weapons which constitute a threat to Russia
5. Ukraine goes through a process of denazification, which would essentially constitute a change of government based on Putin's previous words about the Ukrainian leadership.
6. Russian becomes the second official language of Ukraine and any laws which prohibit its use are repealed.

points 4 & 5 could have been negotiated around.

But now not sure, and 3 would now be 'recognised as part of Russia'. Thanks Boris & co.

You know, I hope you are getting paid to write the above because I would hate to think that this is what you actually believe is fair and equitable and, mutually beneficial for both Ukraine and Russia.

 

[tetrasect]

What Russia wanted a year ago:

1. Ukraine doesn't enter NATO and maintains a position of neutrality
2. Crimea is recognised as a territory of Russia
3. Independence is granted to the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk
4. Ukraine demilitarises and surrenders any weapons which constitute a threat to Russia
5. Ukraine goes through a process of denazification, which would essentially constitute a change of government based on Putin's previous words about the Ukrainian leadership.
6. Russian becomes the second official language of Ukraine and any laws which prohibit its use are repealed.

points 4 & 5 could have been negotiated around.

But now not sure, and 3 would now be 'recognised as part of Russia'. Thanks Boris & co.

Guess you won't mind giving me the deeds to your house then. And while you're at it just transfer your car into my name. And I'll have all the money in your bank accounts and any investments you might have.

Thanks.

And if you ever feel like you were taken for a ride by this transaction, just remember; It was all in the name of peace.

 

[buka001]

What Russia wanted a year ago:

1. Ukraine doesn't enter NATO and maintains a position of neutrality
2. Crimea is recognised as a territory of Russia
3. Independence is granted to the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk
4. Ukraine demilitarises and surrenders any weapons which constitute a threat to Russia
5. Ukraine goes through a process of denazification, which would essentially constitute a change of government based on Putin's previous words about the Ukrainian leadership.
6. Russian becomes the second official language of Ukraine and any laws which prohibit its use are repealed.

points 4 & 5 could have been negotiated around.

But now not sure, and 3 would now be 'recognised as part of Russia'. Thanks Boris & co.

Claims not to support Russia, but resolutely panders to Russian propaganda and proliferates the message unironically.

 

[Kaapie]

??
Question was asked. Just posted what they tabled a year ago, that Ukraine was going to enter into negotions about, before Boris visited.

How do we discuss like this?

 

[sefeddt]

??
Question was asked. Just posted what they tabled a year ago, that Ukraine was going to enter into negotions about, before Boris visited.

How do we discuss like this?

That would be the one where Russia sent minor ranked officials with no power to deviate from their demands.

 

[Matata]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617497763620737024

 

[sefeddt]

Here you go.

While talks continued in Belarus and Istanbul, Russia’s leadership kept repeating that it would reach the goals of its military campaign: ‘denazification’ (regime change) and ‘demilitarisation’ (the destruction of Ukraine’s military potential). The reality on the ground showed Russian troops wouldn’t have withdrawn from the newly occupied territories in the south and east of Ukraine, and were making preparations for lasting rule. Negotiators from the Russian side had been low-ranking politicians that had no power to sign any deals and no direct line to Putin, which was a signal to the Ukrainian negotiating team. Like the Minsk agreements in the last years before the invasion and the December ‘security guarantees’, Russia’s approach to the March negotiations likely wasn’t genuine. Its recent escalation only proves the Kremlin prioritises territorial gains over diplomacy and treats negotiations as a way to buy time to strengthen its armed forces.

No, the West Didn’t Halt Ukraine’s Peace Talks With Russia - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine

“We therefore shouldn't fetishize peace talks, but ground a leftwing vision of the war and the opportunities for ending it in a realistic analysis of the interests, resources and strategies of the parties involved. With this vision, we need to ask: what kind of peace would be progressive and...

internationalviewpoint.org

 

[AstroTurf]

What Russia wanted a year ago:

1. Ukraine doesn't enter NATO and maintains a position of neutrality
2. Crimea is recognised as a territory of Russia
3. Independence is granted to the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk
4. Ukraine demilitarises and surrenders any weapons which constitute a threat to Russia
5. Ukraine goes through a process of denazification, which would essentially constitute a change of government based on Putin's previous words about the Ukrainian leadership.
6. Russian becomes the second official language of Ukraine and any laws which prohibit its use are repealed.

points 4 & 5 could have been negotiated around.

But now not sure, and 3 would now be 'recognised as part of Russia'. Thanks Boris & co.

So by your definition Russia is a cancer.

 

[ToxicBunny]

??
Question was asked. Just posted what they tabled a year ago, that Ukraine was going to enter into negotions about, before Boris visited.

How do we discuss like this?

Those are roughly the terms that Russia put on the table to start with, there is no saying that Ukraine would ever had acceded to those terms... and also the situation has changed now (not to Russia's benefit) so Ukraine would never agree to those terms anymore.

 

[Cray]

??
Question was asked. Just posted what they tabled a year ago, that Ukraine was going to enter into negotions about, before Boris visited.

Citation needed, preferably not from one of your more dubious sources.

How do we discuss like this?

That list of points was and will be rejected because it gives in to 99% of Russian demands without any Russian concessions

Not to mention robbing Ukraine of any kind of sovereignty to pursue its own destiny in terms of security..