Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

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Cosmik Debris

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I'll leave this here regarding why many countries don't buy US military equipment:

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  • Review and End Use Monitoring are integral components of the process for U.S.-origin defense equipment delivered to any recipient nation. The United States works to ensure U.S.-origin defense equipment is used consistent with the agreement or licenses under which the arms were transferred. The United States is committed to expediting, when possible, defense transfers to U.S. allies and partners, while at the same time seeking to control access to U.S.-origin defense technologies by hostile state and non-state actors. Before U.S.-origin defense articles and services are exported or transferred to foreign entities, those entities must agree to: 1) not retransfer equipment to third parties without first receiving written U.S. government authorization; 2) not dispose of or use the defense article for purposes other than those for which they were furnished without first receiving written U.S. government authorization; and; 3) maintain the security of any item with substantially the same degree of protection afforded by the U.S. government.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
I'll leave this here regarding why many countries don't buy US military equipment:

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  • Review and End Use Monitoring are integral components of the process for U.S.-origin defense equipment delivered to any recipient nation. The United States works to ensure U.S.-origin defense equipment is used consistent with the agreement or licenses under which the arms were transferred. The United States is committed to expediting, when possible, defense transfers to U.S. allies and partners, while at the same time seeking to control access to U.S.-origin defense technologies by hostile state and non-state actors. Before U.S.-origin defense articles and services are exported or transferred to foreign entities, those entities must agree to: 1) not retransfer equipment to third parties without first receiving written U.S. government authorization; 2) not dispose of or use the defense article for purposes other than those for which they were furnished without first receiving written U.S. government authorization; and; 3) maintain the security of any item with substantially the same degree of protection afforded by the U.S. government.
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Typically not a problem if you are a NATO country but a big one if you are reexporting. This is almost standard paperwork on all weapons exports. It's the reason Poland is begging for German permission to send Leopards. I should also note that there is South African ammunition in Ukrain without permission which had the same paperwork included.
 
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Typically not a problem if you are a NATO country but a big one if you are reexporting. This is almost standard paperwork on all weapons exports. It's the reason Poland is begging for German permission to send Leopards. I should also note that there is South African ammunition in Ukrain without permission which had the same paperwork included.
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You can't use the equipment if someone not foreseen suddenly becomes your enemy. That's the problem. Not a re-export.
 
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more context for you

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"The main obstacle" to Ukraine's ascension to the alliance, F. Stephen Larrabee, a former Soviet specialist on the U.S. National Security Council wrote in 2011, "is not Russian opposition… but low public support for membership in Ukraine itself." Ukrainian support for joining NATO "is much lower in Ukraine in comparison to other states in Eastern Europe," he added, at just 22-25 percent overall.
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By backing a far-right coup in Kiev, the US overcame the inconvenient hurdle of Ukrainian popular opinion.
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Hailed by the US as an expression of Ukraine's democratic aspirations, the post-coup Ukrainian government was dominated by the right-wing forces that had brought it to power.
In the fall of 2014, the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion was formally incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guard, making post-Maidan Ukraine "the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces," the Ukrainian-American journalist Lev Golinkin later observed.

While placating the "IMF Austerity Regime," the coup government also set its sights on Ukraine's ethnic Russian population.
The coup government's anti-Russian sentiment culminated in a gruesome massacre in the city of Odessa. On May 2nd, a right-wing mob assaulted an anti-Maidan emplacement there, forcing the protesters into a nearby trade union building. Trapped inside, the anti-Maidan protesters were burned alive. Those trying to escape the flames were brutally assaulted. The official state toll is 48 dead, but the actual number may be far higher. No credible investigation has ever been conducted.
The Odessa massacre helped accelerate the then-growing insurgency in the Donbas region, the eastern Ukrainian region dominated by ethnic Russians. Unwilling to live under a US-installed coup government led by far-right nationalists, rebels in Donetsk and Luhansk took up arms in the spring of 2014 with Russia's limited support.

The US-backed government responded with both economic warfare and a Nazi-infused "Anti-Terrorist Operation." The US-backed Yatsenyuk, by then well-versed in Washington-friendly neoliberal austerity, decreed that all residents of rebel-held Donbas would lose their public sector payments and pensions. Among those fighting the rebels, the New York Times quietly acknowledged in July 2015, were the "openly neo-Nazi" Azov battalion, as well as "an assortment of right-wing and Islamic militias" summoned from Chechnya. According to Ukraine's interior ministry, Azov was among the first battalions to receive US military training for the war.

The war in Donbas has since left over 14,000 dead. According to UN figures, 81% of the civilian casualties since 2018 have occurred on the rebel-held, pro-Russian side.

These Russian-speaking Ukrainians, however, are what Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman described in "Manufacturing Consent" as "unworthy victims": foreign civilians killed with US support, and thus unworthy of our sympathy or even attention.

No matter how deeply entrenched in the United States political establishment and media, no amount of whitewashing surrounding the 2014 coup and its aftermath can negate the reality that for millions of people in the Donbas, the war in Ukraine did not start with Putin's invasion.

Rather than end the proxy war that it helped start in Ukraine, the US has only fueled it over the last eight years with billions in weapons, a drive to incorporate Ukraine into NATO, an expansion of US offensive weapons around Russia, and a rejection of diplomatic solutions.
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Cosmik Debris said:
Tell me what US military equipment is used by which country?
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Geez man, i dont have time for that. Type in the countries name followed by "military equipment". You will get yourself a wiki page that will bring up a list of equipment used. The list will also tell you where the equipment originates from.

The most common is the M270, himars, m109 artillery and fighter jets. Then youve also got a lot of mraps and ifv's. Some Abrams for Poland as well.

Australia is also a massive purchaser of American military equipment.

I mean the M109 adds a few countries i didnt previously mention, including Spain, Switzerland, and Greece. Former operators as well including Denmark and Norway.
 
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The US and its vassals are actually in danger of not getting the protracted war that they hoped for...

No one will win a protracted war in Ukraine
The “total victory” approach discussed by Rice and Gates would entail going on the offensive to recapture all territory to pre-2014 status. Escalation is not viewed as a real obstacle to achieve this all-but-certain victory. This is highly reckless. In addition, this line of argument does not take into account the difficulties Ukraine would have in governing the peninsula if it managed to recapture it, as Crimeans remain mostly in favor of the Russian annexation. Most analysts acknowledge the popularity of the annexation of Crimea in 2014 among Russians, suggesting that most Russians would also be in support of defending the peninsula at all costs.
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The Ukrainian state is treading on a fine line with its economy in tatters, fully dependent on the West for a lifeline. At this point, damage to the Ukrainian economy has far exceeded damage to the Russian economy. Moreover, Russia seems to have the capacity to continue relentlessly bombing Ukrainian infrastructure. A long war would prevent the Ukrainian government from rebuilding its infrastructure, attracting investment, and becoming a full-fledged democracy — all of which would severely hamper Ukraine’s ability to take real steps towards integrating the EU.
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Time may very well be on Putin’s side, particularly as Russia has three times the manpower as Ukraine and a population accustomed to riding out tough economic times, unlike much of the Western world.
Based on the negative consequences of a protracted conflict illustrated above, it is within our interest to bring this war to an end. Rather than doing so by dramatically escalating the war, we need to pair our military assistance with real moves towards a peace settlement in Ukraine.
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Matata said:
Russia has rosatom. Why would they allow afriforum to have pebble bed nuclear reactor from an american company when anc cadres can get free bribe money from rosatom. Russian government probably also had a sweet under the table offer for ANC cadres so that these military drills could continue without resistance. We should not be surprised if we get sanctioned even more from america when more anc war scandals concerning russo-ukraine war (one of them being that mysterious ship at simon's town naval base) are uncovered.
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PBR are problematic at best. The few experimental ones that were built later showed unexpected problems when they were decommissioned. Also, they not that economical to run. Besides, why would we go to an external company when we have our own PBMR designs just sitting on a shelf. It was canned because nobody was interested in this technology. So if we want to build a few then we could easily do so with a chunk of change, some Uranium from our northern neighbors and about 240 years (based on the Kusile timeline). I wouldn't want to live near that thing though. :)

SA has had ties with Russia for a few decades now so that is not going to go anywhere anytime soon. If the US want to sanction us for exercising our sovereign right to associate with other countries then that would be hypocritical.

Rather spend your efforts preparing for the inevitable grid collapse and start growing that veggie garden as well.
 
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Wintershall Dea chief executive Mario Mehren spent much of last year defending its continued presence in Russia, where the BASF subsidiary was one of the last western companies still pumping oil and gas in the wake of Vladimir Putin’s assault on Ukraine.

But he revealed last week that the company was finally leaving, saying Moscow-owned Gazprom had taken control of the German company’s joint ventures in Siberia and emptied their shared bank accounts.

Almost €2bn of Wintershall’s cash had vanished, Mehren told German newspaper Börsen-Zeitung, accusing Gazprom of having “cleared” the accounts of its three shared gas and oil extraction businesses. Gazprom did not respond to a request for comment.
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