Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

[buka001]

Please tell me you don't actually believe that the Ukrainians have not suffered massive casualties. The real numbers on both sides are withheld from everybody but I guarantee you the Ukrainian losses are much higher than what we have been told. Consider the devastation that 1 thermobaric bomb wreaks over a large area and how this weapon has been used in the conflict for such a long time already. I have seen clips from both sides showing butchering of the enemy and firmly believe that this thing will keep escalating. There are thousands of foreign fighters (military personnel but not under their countries banner) involved in Ukraine and a lot of them have already been mowed down. I've also seen a lot of footage of the very expansive cemeteries with grave after grave of fallen Ukrainian soldier.

The thing that you should be asking yourself is why have certain nations been training the Ukrainians since 2015 if they were not planning for this all along?

Of course the Ukrainians have suffered massive casualties.

Other nations have been training Ukraine since 2015, because in 2014 Ukraine was invaded by Russia and Russia colonised a large, strategically vital section of Ukraine, stole an entire field of Offshore gas rigs and threatened to capture the rest of Ukraine. Russia then funded and fought with "separatists" in Ukraine, providing them an unlimited supply of tanks and weapons.

It is only reasonable to expect that Ukraine asked for help in preparing itself for when Russia decided to invade again.

 

[Cray]

The thing that you should be asking yourself is why have certain nations been training the Ukrainians since 2015 if they were not planning for this all along?

Am trying to figure this comment out.. Are you suggesting they shouldn't have planned for the possible scenario of Russia invading?

Does planning for a horrible event somehow mean that they wanted that horrible event to happen?

 

[Illegal Allien]

Like clockwork after a major event, Russia escalates their aggression.

Russian Missiles Kill 11 in Ukraine After Tank Pledge - The Moscow Times

A blistering wave of Russian strikes targeting Ukraine's energy infrastructure killed 11 people on Thursday, a day after Germany and the United States pledged heavy tanks for Kyiv.

www.themoscowtimes.com

If this is the reaction to announcements, what do you imagine if the tanks 1) do get into Ukraine or 2) actually cause territorial losses?

 

[Matata]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618574945193263104

 

[Unhappy438]

The thing that you should be asking yourself is why have certain nations been training the Ukrainians since 2015 if they were not planning for this all along?

Why oh why, the age old question.

 

[Illegal Allien]

The thing that you should be asking yourself is why have certain nations been training the Ukrainians since 2015 if they were not planning for this all along?

Merkel already answered that. The ceasefire of 2014 was to buy Ukraine time, and to a huge extent it really worked. I dont know what Putin expected.

 

[MiW]

Ukraine downed 47 Russian missiles fired in latest attacks: Top general​

Ukrainian air defences shot down 47 of the 55 missiles Russian forces fired at Ukraine in Moscow’s latest wave of attacks, the country’s top general has said.
Moscow used the Kh-47 Kinzhal hypersonic missile, among other models, in the strikes, General Valery Zaluzhny said in a post on Telegram. Twenty of the incoming missiles were shot down around the capital, Kyiv, he added.
“The goal of the Russians remains unchanged: psychological pressure on Ukrainians and the destruction of critical infrastructure,” Zaluzhny said. “But we cannot be broken!”

 

[ToxicBunny]

If this is the reaction to announcements, what do you imagine if the tanks 1) do get into Ukraine or 2) actually cause territorial losses?

So wait... just because Russia are a bunch of mass murdering fsckheads, Ukraine must not defend themselves and attempt to get weaponry to do so?

I really fail to grasp this stance in all honesty.

 

[Blu82]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617980319612932096

 

[TelkomUseless]

If this is the reaction to announcements, what do you imagine if the tanks 1) do get into Ukraine or 2) actually cause territorial losses?

More shouting and threats from Putin. Nothing else...

He had time to throw his best weapons in the battlefield for a year. He got 0 .. that is why Russian are getting smacked.

 

[BBSA]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618579974688235520

 

[MiW]

 

[MiW]

Glad that is cleared up

 

[MiW]

Amateurs, they should see Eskom's R800 a broom contract.

Fighting on two fronts: Zelenskyy battles corruption and Russia

Ukraine restarts the war on graft, and Western nations promise battle tanks. Could the two events be linked?

www.aljazeera.com

The Zn.ua publication reported last week that food prices quoted in a Ministry of Defence contract it acquired were up to three times higher than in supermarkets in Kyiv.

“The rear front rats from the Defence Ministry steal more food from the armed forces than in peacetime,” the headline read.

Defence Minister Oleksiy Reznikov lambasted the publication, saying the prices were higher because of the logistical ordeals involved in delivering goods to the front lines.

“I want it to be clear – things won’t be the same anymore,” President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in a televised address on Sunday as he pledged a zero-tolerance approach to graft.

After the sackings began, Ukraine scored one of its biggest breakthroughs on the battlefield: Germany agreed to supply its advanced Leopard 2 battle tanks.

After months of refusals, resistance and deliberations, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz pledged on Tuesday to provide 14 tanks and allow other European nations that have them to deliver them to Kyiv.

 

[ToxicBunny]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617980319612932096

If this is true, it would be a very poisoned chalice for the Russians very likely...

They'll get better equipment, but along with it comes increased maintenance and logistics (not Russias forte) and also the likelihood that the Ukrainians and Western Intelligence would get more accurate information on their movements and such due to built in systems within the equipment.

 

[WollieVerstege]

Am trying to figure this comment out.. Are you suggesting they shouldn't have planned for the possible scenario of Russia invading?

Does planning for a horrible event somehow mean that they wanted that horrible event to happen?

This is literally the only reason any military anywhere in the world exists, to prepare and plan for when someone eventually attacks you.

 

[sefeddt]

If this is the reaction to announcements, what do you imagine if the tanks 1) do get into Ukraine or 2) actually cause territorial losses?

How long did it take them to take Mariupol using missiles , artillery including incendiary, tanks etc and vastly numerical manpower with many of the "elite" forces wiped out . Ukraine even flew copters in and out a few times despite it been completely surrounded. When last did Russia have any real success, they hold no regional capitol after almost a year of trying and failed to take a small town like Bakhmut over the same period.

Desperate times for Russia.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618541590599065602

 

[buka001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617980319612932096

Doubt this somewhat.

If true, it really shows how desperately short Russia is on vehicles etc

 

[sefeddt]

If this is the reaction to announcements, what do you imagine if the tanks 1) do get into Ukraine or 2) actually cause territorial losses?

Something like this ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1618589402330202114

 

[Matata]

If this is true, it would be a very poisoned chalice for the Russians very likely...

They'll get better equipment, but along with it comes increased maintenance and logistics (not Russias forte) and also the likelihood that the Ukrainians and Western Intelligence would get more accurate information on their movements and such due to built in systems within the equipment.

I wonder if those vehicles still have blueforce trackers (that were designated for afghanistan) in in them although they were abandoned. Would be interesting if their GPS is being tracked today still.