Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

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ToxicBunny said:
You can be at whatever point you want...

Russia must get the fsck out of Ukraine and then pay reparations.
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BBSA said:
Nope, Russia must get the f-out.

Ukraine is not part of the Russian Federation.
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**pats the npcs on their head for being good little global citizens***

In case you haven't noticed, Russia hasn't gone anywhere. The current approach of dumping Western equipment in Ukraine isn't going to beat Russia, who while they might have inferior equipment, actually know how to use it.

Western leaders should either start contributing troops and pay the severe political cost for doing so, or they should gtfo. Half-a$$ed measures like what they are doing right now isn't just going to turn what is left of Eastern Ukraine into wasteland.
 
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Russia has largely been pushed quite far back from their original gains, so thats not quite "hasn't gone anywhere".

And sending Western equipment to Ukraine may not beat Russia directly, but it will make Russia have to work very hard for every bit of territory they want to gain and eventually the cost might become too high for the people of Russia to accept... and yeah maybe they do know how to use their equipment, but so do the Ukrainians, they've been trained on the new equipment.

But at the end of the day, the stance remains the same.. Russia must fsck off back to their borders... anything other than that is a capitulation to a tyrant and will just embolden him to do it again and again and again.
 
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konfab said:
**pats the npcs on their head for being good little global citizens***

In case you haven't noticed, Russia hasn't gone anywhere. The current approach of dumping Western equipment in Ukraine isn't going to beat Russia, who while they might have inferior equipment, actually know how to use it.

Western leaders should either start contributing troops and pay the severe political cost for doing so, or they should gtfo. Half-a$$ed measures like what they are doing right now isn't just going to turn what is left of Eastern Ukraine into wasteland.
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You are funny and delusional, specially the part about Russia know how to use their inferior equipment.

Are you also in the alt-right rabbit hole?
 
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BBSA said:
You are funny and delusional, specially the part about Russia know how to use their inferior equipment.
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They have a doctrine that they have trained for using the equipment they have. I don't know why that is a controversial statement to make.

Lets take tanks for example, all the tanks they are getting from the West are all going to be different, and have different SOPs different than their current ones.

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Are you also in the alt-right rabbit hole?
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No. I have literally just said that the West should send troops on the ground to end this conflict. If they are not willing to do that, then they shouldn't be participating in the conflict.
 
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konfab said:
**pats the npcs on their head for being good little global citizens***

In case you haven't noticed, Russia hasn't gone anywhere. The current approach of dumping Western equipment in Ukraine isn't going to beat Russia, who while they might have inferior equipment, actually know how to use it.

Western leaders should either start contributing troops and pay the severe political cost for doing so, or they should gtfo. Half-a$$ed measures like what they are doing right now isn't just going to turn what is left of Eastern Ukraine into wasteland.
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Dude lol. A few dozen HIMARS, MANPADs, drones, old planes and tanks, and plenty of ammo (some so old, yet so effective they just scratched their heads and restarted production) helped Ukraine push back hundreds of km on the north-eastern front. They've taken back Kharkiv and Kherson. Anti air and Missile defence systems has Russia mostly wasting dozen of long distance missiles with only a fraction getting through. What do you think a few battalions of Leopards and Abrams tanks are going to do for future moves to retake territory over the next year? Longer range missiles? Melitopol, Berdyans'k and Mariupol is looking fair game for the future. You might have noticed that Western support is ramping up as Russia continues to wipe its butt on every definition of what is good and decent. They ain't stopping.

Ukraine wants the assistance. Ukraine wants the weapons. Because they want to fight. For their homeland. To which they have every right. For their families. For their future. They know that if they stop Russia will first conquer them. Disown them of their land. Murder and Rape many. Torture many. Loot and pillage mountains of possessions. Truck Russians in from Russia to come live in their homes. Steal everything that's not nailed down. Even kidnap their children... And they know they would then have to live under control of the goddamned Kremlin. Which is known for one thing above all other. Marginalisation of everything around it. Concentration of all power and the benefit and wealth that goes with it towards it. And NATO countries are ready and willing to help them prevent that and more - Take back the parts Russia is illegally occupying. And they've barely scratched the surface of their budgets and stocks. If Russia ever truly tries to run amok, then NATO has depth the likes of which Russia can write on their foreheads to deal with.

You're irritable ranting isn't worth the electrons and few kb of hard drive space to save them on the net.
 
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konfab said:
They have a doctrine that they have trained for using the equipment they have. I don't know why that is a controversial statement to make.

Lets take tanks for example, all the tanks they are getting from the West are all going to be different, and have different SOPs different than their current ones.


No. I have literally just said that the West should send troops on the ground to end this conflict. If they are not willing to do that, then they shouldn't be participating in the conflict.
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Lots of the Russian conscripts have only a few weeks training, so no they are not competent at all.

Glad to hear you not one of these alt-right nutters.
 
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konfab said:
No. I have literally just said that the West should send troops on the ground to end this conflict. If they are not willing to do that, then they shouldn't be participating in the conflict.
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Ukraine itself has indicated that they don't require personnel from the rest of the world. Their military has taken to any and all training for Western weapons with very little problem.

What now?
 
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konfab said:
Half-a$$ed measures like what they are doing right now isn't just going to turn what is left of Eastern Ukraine into wasteland.
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It is exactly what they want to do. Unfortunately, the rest of the world is wise to their routine by now, so a little bit of negativity. But hey, there is no such thing as bad press.
Zelensky has already 'contracted' the rebuild rights out to the humanitarian aid organisation's of BlackRock, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan etc.
 
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