Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

[Cray]

Most of the world? I dispute that. I know you see the support by politicians and the controlled media, but looks are deceiving. Read comments on more forums. From what I have seen there is little support for Ukraine. Zelenskyy is despised.

Which forums? Most people here support Ukraine, you are one of the few exceptions.

 

[AlmightyBender]

like a kid. and a toxic one at that.
You all only want a circle jerk. not a discussion or alternative perspectives.

What you share here is the opposite of perspective lol. It is absolute delusion and lies. You're not fooling anybody mate. We've dealt with your type for many many years and you certainly aren't the best we've seen.

 

[Cray]

China is taking Taiwan politically, not militarily.

As things are going Taiwan will vote to become part of China in the next 10 years.

The Taiwanese people overwhelmingly dislike the Chinese government and it's policies, am curious as to why you think they would ever vote to join?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...ts-the-prc-political-system-not-just-culture/

 

[Kaapie]

Most people here support Ukraine, you are one of the few exceptions.

I think it would be helpful to rename the thread. Possibly: Nato / Ukraine support thread.
That way you will only get the people posting that you want.

 

[~AoA~]

The majority support Ukraine, you say? Hmm

 

[Cray]

I think it would be helpful to rename the thread. Possibly: Nato / Ukraine support thread.
That way you will only get the people posting that you want.

You misunderstand me, reading the stuff you and LetsDance post is most amusing
but I certainly don't think your views represent the majority of posters.

Letsdance made a claim that most people are against Ukraine because that is what he sees on internet forums, I was wondering what forum he was talking about because I certainly don't see it here..

Care to explain how you jumped to the conclusion that I don't want him to post here?

 

[ToxicBunny]

I think it would be helpful to rename the thread. Possibly: Nato / Ukraine support thread.
That way you will only get the people posting that you want.

You are welcome to post whatever the hell you want... but we reserve the right to call it out for the horseshyte that it mostly is.

 

[Kaapie]

What you share here is the opposite of perspective lol. It is absolute delusion and lies. You're not fooling anybody mate. We've dealt with your type for many many years and you certainly aren't the best we've seen.

Not being on Team A doesn't make the opposing team delusional. Just apt to look past the hypocrisy and curated narratives.
Shouting ' lies, delusional' is the poorest form of rebuttal, and testament to weak deductive reasoning.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Lol it is funny that you are so triggered, seems like I hit a nerve. Relax dude.

You made a dumb statement that was shown up...now you try end flip it by calling me triggered and telling me to relax.

Oh dear...so predictable and tedious. Rather own up when you fuk up....it will create a better impression of yourself.

 

[viper13]

Which forums? Most people here support Ukraine, you are one of the few exceptions.

This is hilarious. Firstly, there are about 8 regular posters here that all jerk each other off and fantasize about sucking the US dong. The rest of the people pop in and out from time to time. Secondly, this thread does not represent the world so even if 7 or 8 of you lot of tossers supported Ukraine it would still mean you are in the minority world wide since most of the world really don't give a flying fart what the EU and the US and NATO want with Russia and Ukraine.

Russia will get what they want, Ukraine will be left devastated and there is nothing that your little collective will be able to do about it whether you like it or not. Then all these little posts of how poor the Russian equipment is will all be exposed for what they are; attention-seeking snowflakes that are trying to spread paid for US/NATO propaganda. Otherwise, it would mean that the Russian soldier is almost Herculean to have achieved what they have with essentially paintball armor and squirt guns.

 

[ToxicBunny]

This is hilarious. Firstly, there are about 8 regular posters here that all jerk each other off and fantasize about sucking the US dong. The rest of the people pop in and out from time to time. Secondly, this thread does not represent the world so even if 7 or 8 of you lot of tossers supported Ukraine it would still mean you are in the minority world wide since most of the world really don't give a flying fart what the EU and the US and NATO want with Russia and Ukraine.

Russia will get what they want, Ukraine will be left devastated and there is nothing that your little collective will be able to do about it whether you like it or not. Then all these little posts of how poor the Russian equipment is will all be exposed for what they are; attention-seeking snowflakes that are trying to spread paid for US/NATO propaganda. Otherwise, it would mean that the Russian soldier is almost Herculean to have achieved what they have with essentially paintball armor and squirt guns.

Must be getting close to pay day... the simps are getting very vociferous in their support of Vlad

 

[Cray]

This is hilarious. Firstly, there are about 8 regular posters here that all jerk each other off and fantasize about sucking the US dong. The rest of the people pop in and out from time to time. Secondly, this thread does not represent the world so even if 7 or 8 of you lot of tossers supported Ukraine it would still mean you are in the minority world wide since most of the world really don't give a flying fart what the EU and the US and NATO want with Russia and Ukraine.

Wow, touched a nerve there, why don't you tell us how you really feel? I am not the one suggesting that internet forums are representative of anything, that was the dancing boy.

And last I checked, most of the UN voted to condemn both the Russian invasion and the annexations, but if you have some other means to know what the majority of the world thinks, man up and show your sources..

Russia will get what they want, Ukraine will be left devastated and there is nothing that your little collective will be able to do about it whether you like it or not. Then all these little posts of how poor the Russian equipment is will all be exposed for what they are; attention-seeking snowflakes that are trying to spread paid for US/NATO propaganda. Otherwise, it would mean that the Russian soldier is almost Herculean to have achieved what they have with essentially paintball armor and squirt guns.

It's a little early to be drinking mate...

 

[Cius]

Peace Negotiations is the only way this stops. Withdrawal comes after that.
Thinking it happens the other way round is naive.

Negotiatons requires both sides, usually involves concessions from both sides, and Ukraine needs its overlords say so. Murderica & Co will be required to compromise or give up something, and that won't happen. At least not until the 'latest' weapons market/testing ground has satiated its corporations.

So America has just as much power to stop this. It won't. This is such a great opportunity. Market/test weapons, fleece EU, bleed Russia, opportunity for change/overthrow Russia's leadership/structure leads to the ultimate goal, getting that sweet resource trove it(Russia) owns divied up to its corporations under the guise of 'FREEDOM'

I would love to see any example from actual history where negotiations led to a withdrawal from territory the conqueror intended to keep. I highly doubt it is the norm. Once land has been conquered through blood the nation that took that land generally tries to hold on to it at all costs. Different if conquest was not the original intention, but in this case it clearly is at this point. The first week of the war I suspect it was meant to install a puppet regime, however now its clear Russia intends to make large parts of Ukraine part of it. Under what scenario in negotiations do they withdraw? I just don't see it. Perhaps of Putin dies but even then.

Russia has to withdraw the hard way at this point, via lead and steel diplomacy. If they where willing to turn around and leave due to words they would have already done so a long time ago.

So while I also hate the war, and the fact that thousands are dying every week, that is on Russia as the aggressor. They need to get out of Ukraine. It would be wonderful if they did that as an executive decision tomorrow but we all know Putin can't take that kind of loss and retain power so he will keep pouring out the blood of his countrymen and Ukrainians until he either gets what he wants or is stopped by force. The option of declaring a peace where he keeps what he has taken just kicks the can down the road as that will just keep emboldening him to continue his conquest game. Men like him do not stop taking other people's freedom and land without being forced to. History teaches us that. Putin has been doing this for over a decade, taking Georgia, Crimea, etc. His means are escalating in terms of violence and force. He HAS to be stopped or he will cause the next world war eventually when he goes for places like Latvia, Norway, and Poland.

Even if Putin dies tomorrow I don't see Russia changing tack TBH. Putin has astonishingly high support levels for his brutality. Russians are on average a very old school nation who seem to still think might makes right. As proven by countless youtube interviews with actual Russians who support the war effort. Those opposing are brave and wonderful people but they are clearly in the minority in Russia itself.

 

[rietrot]

This is hilarious. Firstly, there are about 8 regular posters here that all jerk each other off and fantasize about sucking the US dong. The rest of the people pop in and out from time to time. Secondly, this thread does not represent the world so even if 7 or 8 of you lot of tossers supported Ukraine it would still mean you are in the minority world wide since most of the world really don't give a flying fart what the EU and the US and NATO want with Russia and Ukraine.

Russia will get what they want, Ukraine will be left devastated and there is nothing that your little collective will be able to do about it whether you like it or not. Then all these little posts of how poor the Russian equipment is will all be exposed for what they are; attention-seeking snowflakes that are trying to spread paid for US/NATO propaganda. Otherwise, it would mean that the Russian soldier is almost Herculean to have achieved what they have with essentially paintball armor and squirt guns.

You don't need to pay cult members or true believers

If they are told 10 tanks that will only arrive a year from now will win the war for Ukraine tomorrow they will run with that. Zero critical thinking skills.

 

[rietrot]

I would love to see any example from actual history where negotiations led to a withdrawal from territory the conqueror intended to keep. I highly doubt it is the norm. Once land has been conquered through blood the nation that took that land generally tries to hold on to it at all costs. Different if conquest was not the original intention, but in this case it clearly is at this point. The first week of the war I suspect it was meant to install a puppet regime, however now its clear Russia intends to make large parts of Ukraine part of it. Under what scenario in negotiations do they withdraw? I just don't see it. Perhaps of Putin dies but even then.

Russia has to withdraw the hard way at this point, via lead and steel diplomacy. If they where willing to turn around and leave due to words they would have already done so a long time ago.

So while I also hate the war, and the fact that thousands are dying every week, that is on Russia as the aggressor. They need to get out of Ukraine. It would be wonderful if they did that as an executive decision tomorrow but we all know Putin can't take that kind of loss and retain power so he will keep pouring out the blood of his countrymen and Ukrainians until he either gets what he wants or is stopped by force. The option of declaring a peace where he keeps what he has taken just kicks the can down the road as that will just keep emboldening him to continue his conquest game. Men like him do not stop taking other people's freedom and land without being forced to. History teaches us that. Putin has been doing this for over a decade, taking Georgia, Crimea, etc. His means are escalating in terms of violence and force. He HAS to be stopped or he will cause the next world war eventually when he goes for places like Latvia, Norway, and Poland.

Even if Putin dies tomorrow I don't see Russia changing tack TBH. Putin has astonishingly high support levels for his brutality. Russians are on average a very old school nation who seem to still think might makes right. As proven by countless youtube interviews with actual Russians who support the war effort. Those opposing are brave and wonderful people but they are clearly in the minority in Russia itself.

Good analysis. Russia is not just going to exit Ukraine.

Negotiations is needed to give them the land they already occupy formally and to agree that they should not advance further. That is how the war stops tomorrow if you want. Otherwise it will go until someone is completely defeated.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Good analysis. Russia is not just going to exit Ukraine.

Negotiations is needed to give them the land they already occupy formally and to agree that they should not advance further. That is how the war stops tomorrow if you want. Otherwise it will go until someone is completely defeated.

Yes, just give in to the murderous tyrant... that will stop this happening again. Promise.

 

[ToxicBunny]

You don't need to pay cult members or true believers

If they are told 10 tanks that will only arrive a year from now will win the war for Ukraine tomorrow they will run with that. Zero critical thinking skills.

Would you mind pointing out where anyone has claimed 10 tanks (or even the more realistic number that is actually being delivered) will win the war for Ukraine?

 

[Gramps66]

Wow, touched a nerve there, why don't you tell us how you really feel? I am not the one suggesting that internet forums are representative of anything, that was the dancing boy.

And last I checked, most of the UN voted to condemn both the Russian invasion and the annexations, but if you have some other means to know what the majority of the world thinks, man up and show your sources..


It's a little early to be drinking mate...

.. please enlighten us on the "majority of the world" population wise.

 

[Cray]

.. please enlighten us on the "majority of the world" population wise.

I think you directed this at the wrong person, time for your meds again?

 

[hexagon]

Ukraine's own Phala Phala...

Millions hidden inside sofa: Ukrainska Pravda receives video of searches at ex-Deputy Defence Minister's house​

Ukrainska Pravda has received a video of the August searches of the home of Oleksandr Myroniuk, former Deputy Defence Minister, a person involved in the investigation into fraud in defence procurement. Then, almost a million dollars had been found inside his sofa.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621103510250217472