Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

[buka001]

Russia will never let Ukraine push them out of the only actual objective they've been working on.

Completely cutting Ukraine's importance to the EU and the US. AKA all those gas fields and mineral deposits.

Notice Ukraine seems to constantly focus on that region too, because they know no one cares if they don't get that area back.

I hope you didn't think that the EU and US actually cared about the Ukrainian people lmao

Of course, I predicted the war based on that very strategic reason.

Never the less, I don't claim that Russia will simply fold and allow them to take it. The situation however, as I said, depends on how their next offensive will fair. If it fails like last years offensives, Russia's ability to actually foil the counter-offensive could be limited.

 

[buka001]

Me. I am actually the boss of the right.

Just like @BBSA made a sweeping generalisation about how sure he is, which you don't seem to have a problem with.

The issue is that if you look at almost every big right-wing pundit, and almost every single small right-wing follower, they all seem to have one thing in common.

Not giving a flying sht about Ukraine and constantly complaining about money being wasted in Ukraine.

The only people on the right who seem to care are the ones in Congress who think they'll get some political points out of it.

Even the left seems to only partially care because it's the current thing.

Your obsession with "current thing".

I am quite sure if I tracked your posts with google trends of what Conservatives in the US were currently panicking about, the alignment would be interesting.

 

[Cray]

Me. I am actually the boss of the right.

Just like @BBSA made a sweeping generalisation about how sure he is, which you don't seem to have a problem with.

The issue is that if you look at almost every big right-wing pundit, and almost every single small right-wing follower, they all seem to have one thing in common.

Not giving a flying sht about Ukraine and constantly complaining about money being wasted in Ukraine.

The only people on the right who seem to care are the ones in Congress who think they'll get some political points out of it.

Even the left seems to only partially care because it's the current thing.

Have you seen this ...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/us-support-ukraine-aid-russia-poll/index.html

The level of support among Republicans for the US giving military aid has also declined: 55% were found to be in favor compared to 68% in July and 80% in March. Similarly, 50% of Republicans backed the US giving economic assistance, down from 64% in July and 74% in March.

Sure it's declining but most on the right still support Ukraine.

Perhaps right-wing "pundits" and talking heads aren't the best way to measure support for something.

 

[Vorastra]

Of course, I predicted the war based on that very strategic reason.

Never the less, I don't claim that Russia will simply fold and allow them to take it. The situation however, as I said, depends on how their next offensive will fair. If it fails like last years offensives, Russia's ability to actually foil the counter-offensive could be limited.

BTW you see this line

I hope you didn't think that the EU and US actually cared about the Ukrainian people lmao

This is why I don't care. Because this is the actual state of the world.

 

[buka001]

BTW you see this line



This is why I don't care. Because this is the actual state of the world.

Of course you don't.

You just care that Russia kills more.

 

[Vorastra]

Your obsession with "current thing".

I am quite sure if I tracked your posts with google trends of what Conservatives in the US were currently panicking about, the alignment would be interesting.

You seem to misunderstand what the "current thing" means.

It's people who never cared about "the thing", nor would continue to care about "the thing" after it's done, and the reason they only care about "the thing" is because the news tells them they should care about it.

Every current thing I've commented on, I've commented on because I actually know or knew something about it before it was "the thing" and continue to find interesting.

 

[buka001]

You seem to misunderstand what the "current thing" means.

It's people who never cared about "the thing", nor would continue to care about "the thing" after it's done, and the reason they only care about "the thing" is because the news tells them they should care about it.

Every current thing I've commented on, I've commented on because I actually know or knew something about it and continue to find interesting.

So some one who cares about Roe v Wade being overturned, didn't care that it was in place, got upset when it was overturned and somehow they only have a fleeting interest in the subject, because it actually happened?

They don't continue to find the subject interesting?

Is that your take?

 

[Vorastra]

Have you seen this ...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/us-support-ukraine-aid-russia-poll/index.html


Sure it's declining but most on the right still support Ukraine.

Perhaps right-wing "pundits" and talking heads aren't the best way to measure support for something.

Sorry maybe I'm blind.

But the polls shows this in that.

 

[Vorastra]

So some one who cares about Roe v Wade being overturned, didn't care that it was in place, got upset when it was overturned and somehow they only have a fleeting interest in the subject, because it actually happened?

They don't continue to find the subject interesting?

Is that your take?

You've managed to find the one topic that I'd say isn't a "current thing" for anyone in the US.
Everyone in the US seems to have a constant interest in abortion.

 

[Cray]

Sorry maybe I'm blind.

But the polls shows this in that.

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So you quote the results to the question that is dependant on support for Ukraine for as "long as it takes". Care to comment on the results of this question?



The majority of Republicans are in favour of sending military and financial support to Ukraine. Regarld

 

[Vorastra]

Care to comment on the results of this question?

Seems I was incorrect. Half of Republicans want to continue sending money.

The majority of Republicans are in favour of sending military and financial support to Ukraine. Regarld

No, half are in favour for financial support. 55% are in favour of weapons.

 

[Vorastra]

Dammit, I've finally been defeated in an argument.

Until next time.

 

[Polymathic]

Any credible sources for this or only this single source?

By NATO forces they actually mean volunteers from NATO Countries.

 

[Vorastra]

For those who keep clapping that the EU magically doesn't run out of gas.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622564283329441792

 

[AlmightyBender]

BTW you see this line



This is why I don't care. Because this is the actual state of the world.

You are projecting your own broken, garbage humanity and values onto others. You're so far gone you can't even conceive how another human being feels about anything.

With beliefs like this you don't deserve to enjoy the benefits of civilized and decent society. You are a danger to society.

You are an extremist and your views are extreme.

 

[Cray]

By NATO forces they actually mean volunteers from NATO Countries.

If you use the term NATO soldiers then the impression is that they are there in an official capacity at the behest of their governments. If there are in fact that many volunteers that have died then they should be referred to as such.

 

[Vorastra]

You are projecting your own broken, garbage humanity and values onto others. You're so far gone you can't even conceive how another human being feels about anything.

There's a difference. I can conceive it. I don't particularly care.

I'll always go back to the same example. Where was this love and caring when the US stayed for 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan and was responsible for a million dead civilians.

I don't see you okes crying when a wedding was bombed in Afghanistan.

Wech Baghtu wedding party airstrike - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How about when 120 villagers were killed by a US bomb.

Hidden Pentagon Records Reveal Patterns of Failure in Deadly Airstrikes (Published 2021)

The promise was a war waged by all-seeing drones and precision bombs. The documents show flawed intelligence, faulty targeting, years of civilian deaths — and scant accountability.

www.nytimes.com

Because the US are the good guys silly. They make all my movies, music, and games!

With beliefs like this you don't deserve to enjoy the benefits of civilized and decent society. You are a danger to society.

If you clutch any harder those pearls will turn to diamond.

You are an extremist and your views are extreme.

But only because you don't like them.

Like I said, the people in charge aren't helping Ukraine because they care, now do they.

It's just business. None of you really care either, do you.

It's just something for us to argue about on the forum.

What have you done to help? Donated any money? Sending supplies?

Inb4 everyone magically says yes.

 

[Polymathic]

If you use the term NATO soldiers then the impression is that they are there in an official capacity at the behest of their governments. If there are in fact that many volunteers that have died then they should be referred to as such.

With all sources you need to read between the lines based on their biases

 

[Vorastra]

If you use the term NATO soldiers then the impression is that they are there in an official capacity at the behest of their governments. If there are in fact that many volunteers that have died then they should be referred to as such.

NATO-aligned mercenaries.

 

[sefeddt]

The vast majority of the right don't support Ukraine at all. They literally don't care about Ukraine.

What they care about is money being wasted on Ukraine.

She's known as far right and calls for more support for Ukraine to kick the invaders out.

Italy Meloni: Far-right leader agrees to form government

Italy's president asks Giorgia Meloni to form the next government, to be sworn in on Saturday.

www.bbc.com

PM Meloni urges Italians to turn off lights in solidarity with Ukraine

Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni on Thursday called on Italians to switch off gas and electricity for an hour a day in solidarity with Ukraine, which has been under Russian attack for 10 months.

www.reuters.com