Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

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buka001 said:
ARI based there views on Mearsheimer's recent (as in 2022 statements). Not his 2014 interview.

A synopsis of what he gets wrong here -

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593388247799021568
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I find it very annoying when people post a "synopsis" of something, and then expect me to go and find the original article so I can read it myself. That is what the ARI did as well

So here is the link:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/john-mearsheimer-on-putins-ambitions-after-nine-months-of-war
 
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buka001 said:
Parties that had long, extensive and deep connections with the Russians were banned.

Seems fair given Russia is the country that invaded them and Russia had plans to use local Ukrainian politicians in their invasion plans to take hold of the Ukrainian Parliament, once they had captured Kyiv.
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buka001 said:
Parties that had long, extensive and deep connections with the Russians were banned.

Seems fair given Russia is the country that invaded them and Russia had plans to use local Ukrainian politicians in their invasion plans to take hold of the Ukrainian Parliament, once they had captured Kyiv.
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If you don't like democracy and its many, many flaws, then say so. Political parties being influenced by people you don't like comes with the game.
 
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konfab said:
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If you don't like democracy and its many, many flaws, then say so. Political parties being influenced by people you don't like comes with the game.
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Different story when members of those political parties have been named in captured Russian war plans to be used to prop up the Russian invasion forces occupation and administration of soon to be annexed territory.
 
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AstroTurf said:
Eish, Hope that is simply a ship in distress and that we are not going to see Denel products joining the Russian side of this fight,
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First thing that jumped out, as mentioned by one of the comments is that when it arrived the cranes were in the stowed position. Later pictures (assume the next day) one crane is extended and looks like hatches open.
Draft of the vessel indicates its fairly empty. Will be interesting to note the level when it leaves Simonstown.
*puts tinfoil hat back in the drawer* :laugh:
They may be loading some heavy pallets with spares or equipment for repairs, if they were indeed in distress.
AIS was also turned off
 
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buka001 said:
Different story when members of those political parties have been named in captured Russian war plans to be used to prop up the Russian invasion forces occupation and administration of soon to be annexed territory.
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Similar reasons why the ANC and SACP were banned. They were receiving military support from the Soviet Union.

You don't get to suspend and destroy fairly elected political parties, and then come and tell me that they were really "Russian plants" and that you were doing this for "Democracy".
 
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Sneeky said:
First thing that jumped out, as mentioned by one of the comments is that when it arrived the cranes were in the stowed position. Later pictures (assume the next day) one crane is extended and looks like hatches open.
Draft of the vessel indicates its fairly empty. Will be interesting to note the level when it leaves Simonstown.
*puts tinfoil hat back in the drawer* :laugh:
They may be loading some heavy pallets with spares or equipment for repairs, if they were indeed in distress.
AIS was also turned off
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2022, every single human has a tinfoil hat hidden somewhere on their person.
 
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konfab said:
Similar reasons why the ANC and SACP were banned. They were receiving military support from the Soviet Union.

You don't get to suspend and destroy fairly elected political parties, and then come and tell me that they were really "Russian plants" and that you were doing this for "Democracy".
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No. Your trying to build up a false equivalence here.

Political parties in SA were banned in response to the Sharpeville massacre in 1960. The MK was only formed in 1961 as a response to this.

Ukraine has faced a full scale military invasion. They are being bombed by 100 odd cruise missiles a day. They have had territory annexed by Russia. So banning political part members that are close to those aggressors, who have featured in the annexation plans for the aggressors is perfectly normal.

The UK banned Mosley's fascist party during WW2, due their close alliance with the Nazis.
 
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Kaapie said:
This is from 2015. If really interested in context, and not just emo knee jerk responses, you could also check out Noam Chomsky, Jeffrey Sachs. etc.
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Christ this again. We have. And they are wrong, as are you.

Maybe you should check out anybody else in the world for a more relevant and modern and current take on the situation.
 
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AlmightyBender said:
Christ this again. We have. And they are wrong, as are you.

Maybe you should check out anybody else in the world for a more relevant and modern and current take on the situation.
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Even Chompsky thinks his avid followers are bunch of idiots.....

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......... But dont fear, Chumpsky knows that even if you dont know what he thinks you dont know, he knows what you dont know he knows because he knows, even if you dont know what he knows, - you know !!?!

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konfab said:
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If you don't like democracy and its many, many flaws, then say so. Political parties being influenced by people you don't like comes with the game.
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This is nonsense. Sometimes hostile powers exert illegal and hostile influence on politicians which would be illegal and unfavourable to democracy. That's not democracy.
 
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