Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

[ForceFate]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601196530563694592

It's not like the pro-Kremlin accounts don't know the truth. They do.

 

[buka001]

They are busy with more important things than the basic rights of their citizens. Like meeting Sean Penn.

https://www.reuters.com/world/sean-penn-visits-ukraines-zelenskiy-loans-him-an-oscar-2022-11-08/

You see you, cannot spend any time dealing with people's individual rights when there is Ben Goddam Stiller there to meet you:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...-volodymyr-zelensky-youre-my-hero-1235168754/

I am suprised we haven't gotten a video yet of Zelensky doing the Jerusalema challenge.

Propaganda? Heard of it?

Creating a view to influence a positive view of your country while your enemy is trying to influence a negative view, is a battle in itself.

Keeping a positive view, influences how people support your cause, who they will vote for and how those people may vote on weapons packages for your cause. This is to counterbalance Russia's attempts to influence the Energy crisis and the negative views that arise from that.

 

[HideInLight]

Propaganda? Heard of it?

Creating a view to influence a positive view of your country while your enemy is trying to influence a negative view, is a battle in itself.

Keeping a positive view, influences how people support your cause, who they will vote for and how those people may vote on weapons packages for your cause. This is to counterbalance Russia's attempts to influence the Energy crisis and the negative views that arise from that.

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www.unhcr.org

Ukraine propaganda consists of people mostly doing their job right.

 

[Mirai]

By "winning", you mean being able to kill more of your own people than your enemy can.

I'd invite you to my country of birth and maybe you could take a trip down to Ukraine as well. Hey maybe you could tell the people in former Eastern Europe how clueless they are. You know, we never knew Russian occupation or dealt with Russian soldiers or regime police.

 

[Mirai]

You don't need to ban all opposition parties and seize their assets in order to do that.

Prove this statement.

Suspending elections whilst the country is still occupied is all that is needed. Then standard rules regarding how you conduct yourself during a war apply. If you make contact with the government (directly or indirectly) of the country that you are at war with, you commit a crime and that is it.

Standard rules? What rules are those. Tell us more how to deal with a belligerent state which intends to overthrow your government and make you part of the Russian Mir? Do tell us.

 

[Mirai]

Glad to see you are a proud defender of imprisonment without trial. I am not surprised tbh.

During war different rules apply.

There is nothing wrong in preserving autonomy, rule of law and sovereignty by curtailing the actions of hostile influenced actors. Hostiles who are actively killing your people and invading your land.

You can't be for real. Sorry to break it for you but some rights do get suspended under Martial Law and during States of Emergency. You don't have a right to judge Ukraine on this.

 

[tetrasect]

Thanks for the morning funnies.

You believe everything the media tells you?

Do you believe everything that little voice in your head tells you?

I suppose there really were WMD's in Iraq if I have to listen to you. You obviously have no idea how establishing supply lines work. Do you think the most recent prisoner swop was because Putin missed his braai-buddy? The man is a weapons dealer so guess what he is going to be doing. Russia is producing their own missiles DESPITE sanctions. They are already putting in place steady supply lines of materials they need and the longer sanctions go on the more robust those supply lines will become.

Those supply lines are crap. They always have been crap. They went through 60 years worth of missiles in less than a year. You actually think Russia can increase their production output by 60 times?

As for most of the world supporting Ukraine, you must have your head in the sand. It's only 13% of the world and that assumes that it is 100% of the populations of those countries that support Ukraine. As I mentioned, the citizens in those countries are already asking why.

Over 50 countries directly support Ukraine.

More Than 50 Nations Pledge to Help Build Ukraine's Defense

Following its most recent meeting, the Ukraine Defense Contact Group will "move even faster and push even harder" to get military capabilities into the hands of Ukrainian forces battling Russian

www.defense.gov

There are 195 countries in the world. Your math is crap.

Yes, the price of Russian oil has dropped as well as the price of gas but a new gas pipeline just opened to China yesterday so larger volumes will be piped shortly. It doesn't matter if the price drops as long as you still make a profit and can compensate with higher volume sales. Then this will mitigate the price caps and lower prices. Let me explain: if I sell 100L of oil at $9/L profit for a total of $900 and then the prices drops and I now only make $4,50/L profit but I can double my output I will still make $900. You need to also take a look at how Russian oil is being resold in Asia at the moment as there are third parties that are almost dancing in the streets due to the massive profits they making by the fat discount. So over time you will see the demand for Russian oil increase again and Russia will still continue to make juicy profits because most of this oil is shipped via pipeline to the Asian markets so the cost overhead for increased volumes is still minimal.

China doesn't need much more gas and will never make up for lost sales to Europe.

And don't believe all these articles of the Kremlin politicians that have escape plans. Each official always has a bug-out bag and plan just in case. It's par for the course over there. So this is just trying to paint a picture that the leadership are planning on bailing, more than likely to try and get that message to the Russian people to try and cause an internal uprising.

The big key that people often forget is the Russia has still not declared this a war and if the day comes that they do it is a major game changer as then wartime measures kick in along with martial law in Russia. The entire Russia economy will transform to wartime economy so where all those abandoned factories are sitting idle due to the pull out of western companies they will suddenly be fired up again to start producing for the Russian wartime efforts. This will only happen if really needed though and only after dependable supply lines are secured and stockpiles of certain materials replenished to support scaled-up productions. Russia knows it would mean a time of suffering for themselves as well so they would need to first drum up massive internal support by its populace before considering that. This is where the Ukrainian strikes are actually helping Putin and the gang.

Russia's economy can't cope on the best of days. Replenishing 60 years worth of stockpiles is a pipe dream. It took them about 6 months to figure out how to produce milk bottles. They cancelled production of new variants of tanks. All the machines they use in the factories are made in Europe, the US and Japan. Russia can't even make french fries at their fake McDonald's. If they had the capacity to produce weapons they wouldn't be trying to refurbish tanks from the 1960's and sending men to battle with WW2 helmets.

The simple reality is that the longer this conflict continues the more it swings into Russia's favour as support for Ukraine will dwindle and foreign military support will fade. A lot of countries have used this as a nice tool to get rid of some old military equipment and replace it with some newer versions but once that is done they are not going to ship their new toys to someone else.

Every day Ukraine is getting more supplies of equipment that makes short work of Russia's soviet era museum pieces, and that's just the old stuff that's lying around. Just a few US made HIMARS is all it took to bring the mighty Russian army to it's knees. The only thing Russia can do successfully is launch missiles at civilian infrastructure and apartment blocks from inside Russia like the cowardly terrorists they are, until the world gives Ukraine long range missiles of their own, at which time it's game over for Russia.

 

[Mirai]

Thanks for the morning funnies.

You believe everything the media tells you? I suppose there really were WMD's in Iraq if I have to listen to you. You obviously have no idea how establishing supply lines work. Do you think the most recent prisoner swop was because Putin missed his braai-buddy? The man is a weapons dealer so guess what he is going to be doing. Russia is producing their own missiles DESPITE sanctions. They are already putting in place steady supply lines of materials they need and the longer sanctions go on the more robust those supply lines will become.

According to Wolski, Russia's bottleneck in missile production is the engine and not the IC. They can do max 80 per year. In ideal circumstances maybe they could produce 160 per year.

As for most of the world supporting Ukraine, you must have your head in the sand. It's only 13% of the world and that assumes that it is 100% of the populations of those countries that support Ukraine. As I mentioned, the citizens in those countries are already asking why.

Most of the world has their own problems. The people who know BOTH Ukrainians and Russians are SUPPORTING UKRAINE. It's not relevant what Nigerians think or South Africans who consider themselves part of BRICS and don't know that UKRAINE supported the ANC during apartheid as did all of Eastern Europe, nor what Indians think who have bigger problems at home or the Chinese who may face civil unrest at home or deal with covid lockdowns. The people who know both RUSSIA and UKRAINE support Ukraine. In fact the people whose relatives were murdered by OUN/UPA in places like Eastern Galicia and Volhynia support Ukraine. You could say the people who know their stuff support Ukraine while those far away may be either way. Some support Ukraine because it's right to support a country which is being attacked like Hitler attacked countries in WW2, while others just don't like the Russians and yet others just go with the flow.

Yes, the price of Russian oil has dropped as well as the price of gas but a new gas pipeline just opened to China yesterday so larger volumes will be piped shortly. It doesn't matter if the price drops as long as you still make a profit and can compensate with higher volume sales. Then this will mitigate the price caps and lower prices. Let me explain: if I sell 100L of oil at $9/L profit for a total of $900 and then the prices drops and I now only make $4,50/L profit but I can double my output I will still make $900. You need to also take a look at how Russian oil is being resold in Asia at the moment as there are third parties that are almost dancing in the streets due to the massive profits they making by the fat discount. So over time you will see the demand for Russian oil increase again and Russia will still continue to make juicy profits because most of this oil is shipped via pipeline to the Asian markets so the cost overhead for increased volumes is still minimal.

The price is important because outside of CHOs Russia has little else to export. So less profit, is a big deal. To get oil into a pipeline to China you have to get that oil into that pipeline. Right now Russia can only get a limited amount of oil there, as you know Russia is a big country.

The big key that people often forget is the Russia has still not declared this a war and if the day comes that they do it is a major game changer as then wartime measures kick in along with martial law in Russia. The entire Russia economy will transform to wartime economy so where all those abandoned factories are sitting idle due to the pull out of western companies they will suddenly be fired up again to start producing for the Russian wartime efforts. This will only happen if really needed though and only after dependable supply lines are secured and stockpiles of certain materials replenished to support scaled-up productions. Russia knows it would mean a time of suffering for themselves as well so they would need to first drum up massive internal support by its populace before considering that. This is where the Ukrainian strikes are actually helping Putin and the gang.

It doesn't matter what Russia calls it. Russia is mobilizing people and has used up a large chunk of their military equipment and much of their best personnel. You can't train professional soldiers in a few months.

The simple reality is that the longer this conflict continues the more it swings into Russia's favour as support for Ukraine will dwindle and foreign military support will fade. A lot of countries have used this as a nice tool to get rid of some old military equipment and replace it with some newer versions but once that is done they are not going to ship their new toys to someone else.

It's clear that Ukraine's neighbours will support her as will the Americans and to have stability in Europe, the rest of Europe will have to listen to us.

 

[tetrasect]

You don't need to ban all opposition parties and seize their assets in order to do that.

Suspending elections whilst the country is still occupied is all that is needed. Then standard rules regarding how you conduct yourself during a war apply. If you make contact with the government (directly or indirectly) of the country that you are at war with, you commit a crime and that is it.

What a load of BS. You think France should have allowed a bunch of Nazis in their government during WW2?

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

 

[Mirai]

What a load of BS. You think France should have allowed a bunch of Nazi's in their government during WW2?

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Well they did with Vichy. Funny enough the Soviets convinced the French communists to oppose the war against Germany. These were two examples of negative influences.

In wartime certain rights go out the window. Otherwise the ruthless enemy will take advantage and the country which rules itself like Strawberry Shortcake will not survive.

 

[BBSA]

 

[R13...]

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Why do US (and Europe's) conservatives support Putin?

 

[BBSA]

Why do US (and Europe's) conservatives support Putin?

Not all conservatives, more a far/alt right thing.

Seems to be an anti leftist sentiment.

 

[MiW]

Russia can still cut oil and refuse to sell to G7 countries – Putin​

President Vladimir Putin says Russia, the world’s biggest energy exporter, could cut oil production and refuse to sell oil to any country that imposes G7’s “stupid” price cap on Russian oil.
“As for our reaction, I have already said that we simply will not sell to those countries that make such decisions,” Putin told reporters in a news conference in the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek.
“We will think, maybe, even about a possible, if necessary … reduction in production.”
Last week, the G7 major powers, the European Union and Australia, agreed on a $60 per barrel price cap on Russian seaborne crude oil.
Putin said Russia had a production agreement with other OPEC+ oil producers’ club members, so a drastic step was still only possible.
“We are thinking about this, there are no solutions yet. And concrete steps will be outlined in a decree from the president of Russia that will be released in the next few days,” Putin said.

 

[MiW]

 

[sefeddt]

Sure we can

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601231043637673984

 

[sefeddt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601244081224830976

 

[ForceFate]

Sure we can

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601231043637673984

"Don't believe appeals from actual soldiers dying in Ukraine, believe what I tell you through our various media houses"

 

[MiW]

Russia is expanding and modernising its arsenal: US​

Russia is expanding and modernising its nuclear arsenal, says US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin.
“Russia is also modernising and expanding its nuclear arsenal,” Austin said at a ceremony for the incoming commander of US Strategic Command, which oversees the United States’ nuclear arsenal.
“And as the Kremlin continues its cruel and unprovoked war of choice against Ukraine, the whole world has seen Putin engage in deeply irresponsible nuclear saber-rattling,” Austin added.

 

[MiW]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601261923974381568

Russia trying to more weapons from Iran, says Britain​

Russia is attempting to obtain more weapons from Iran, including hundreds of ballistic missiles, and offering Tehran an unprecedented level of military and technical support in return, Britain’s UN Ambassador Barbara Woodward has said.
Since August Iran has transferred hundreds of drones – also known as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) – to Russia, which had used them to “kill civilians and illegally target civilian infrastructure” in Ukraine, Woodward said.
“Russia is now attempting to obtain more weapons, including hundreds of ballistic missiles,” Woodward told reporters.
“In return, Russia is offering Iran an unprecedented level of military and technical support. We’re concerned that Russia intends to provide Iran with more advanced military components, which will allow Iran to strengthen their weapons capability,” she said.