Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

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konfab said:
They are busy with more important things than the basic rights of their citizens. Like meeting Sean Penn.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/sean-penn-visits-ukraines-zelenskiy-loans-him-an-oscar-2022-11-08/

You see you, cannot spend any time dealing with people's individual rights when there is Ben Goddam Stiller there to meet you:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...-volodymyr-zelensky-youre-my-hero-1235168754/

I am suprised we haven't gotten a video yet of Zelensky doing the Jerusalema challenge.
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Okee dokee then.
 
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R13... said:
Why do US (and Europe's) conservatives support Putin?
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Are they questioning the cost of support to UA, or supporting Putin?

I live amongst VERY conservative Americans. Trump was their hero and probably still is.
There is no love for Putin or Biden in Floridians or Tennesseans.

Dunno, I am probably wrong, but I don't think so.

“I’m very supportive of Ukraine,” McCarthy said. “I think there has to be accountability going forward. … You always need, not a blank check, but make sure the resources are going to where it is needed. And make sure Congress, and the Senate, have the ability to debate it openly.”
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Republicans who support Vladimir Putin over the Russian invasion of Ukraine are “lonely voices” in the party, Mitch McConnell said.https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/
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Only 5 percent of Republicans support Russia over Ukraine, but the MAGA wing of the GOP has continually sided with Putin and against Ukraine.
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Mike Pence said there's no room for Putin 'apologists' in the Republican Party as he criticized Russia's 'unconscionable war' in Ukraine: AP​

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Reps. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, and Mike Turner, R-Ohio, on Sunday insisted that the incoming House Republican majority would continue to support funding and arming Ukraine in its war against Russia, downplaying critics inside the GOP's conference who have vowed to oppose future aid packages.
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The level of support among Republicans for the US giving military aid has also declined: 55% were found to be in favor compared to 68% in July and 80% in March. Similarly, 50% of Republicans backed the US giving economic assistance, down from 64% in July and 74% in March.
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sefeddt said:
Sure we can

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601231043637673984
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Uh huh .....

Lets see how the Ukrainians trusted the tw@t.
“I also need to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian armed forces.

“Dear comrades! Your fathers, grandfathers, great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazis and defend our common Motherland, so that today’s Neo-Nazis can seize power in Ukraine. You took an oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people, and not to the anti-national junta that plunders Ukraine and abuses its people.

“Don’t follow its criminal orders. I urge you to lay down your weapons immediately and go home. I want to make clear that all servicemen of the Ukrainian army who do so will be able to freely leave the combat zone and return to their families.
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buchanan8 said:
There you go. Who can honsestly blame the Russians for finally taking matters into their own hands? This conflict is existential for them (As so many wise heads warned). MyBB NAFO experts are clueless on world history and geography. (Plus they loved lockdowns - so their judgement sucks).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601199831652790277
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Conflict is existential. How is it existential? It's existential in the sense that Russia is upset like a petulant schoolgirl that she can't force her way on other societies and countries.

There is no way this is existential for Russia. You may as well say Hitler saw the murder of Jews and Russians as an existential issue. After all he thought they were all bad for him and his reich.

Ukraine did not pose a threat to Russia. Russia is far stronger and Russia has nukes. Nobody in Europe or America wants to invade Russia. They just want to be left alone and not interfered by the Russians.

Existential, my butt.
 
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R13... said:
Why do US (and Europe's) conservatives support Putin?
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Many on the extreme left also support Putin. People like Chomsky are left wing.

The most anti-Putin people in Europe are probably Poland's Law and Justice Party. The people to the left of them were happy to turn down GWB and Obama's ABM shield and to deal with Russia, "as she was".

Here's something about the left and their love for Putin's Russia:
www.opendemocracy.net

Don’t ignore the left! Connections between Europe’s radical left and Russia

Europe’s radical left is connected personally and politically to the Kremlin.
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Mirai said:
Conflict is existential. How is it existential? It's existential in the sense that Russia is upset like a petulant schoolgirl that she can't force her way on other societies and countries.
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Putin had a choice

Diplomacy or war.

Putin is a warmonger ...... and before some troll climbs in with Mr. West and Mr. USA or Mr. NATO ..... none of which are actual people, lets consider how long this war monger has held power ..........


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tass.com

Russia not invading Ukraine and has no such plans — Russian ambassador to US

The leadership of our country has repeatedly declared and continues to declare its readiness to continue solving outstanding problems through diplomacy, Anatoly Antonov said
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konfab said:
What possible reason can you give me as to why opposition parties should not only be banned from participation, but have their assets seized by the state. Suspend elections yes, but abolish all opposition parties? Yeah bruh.
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Can you answer that question as it concerns Russia, outside of wartime? Haven't seen you complain about how Putin "bans" (kills/imprisons) his political opponents.
 
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Day 288, December 8th. Summary of Arestovych and Feygin daily broadcast • WarTranslated

Summary of the daily livestream with Aleksey Arestovych, kindly brought to you by Anastasiya: @Anastasiya1451A English voice-over video by Privateer Station: Original video in Russian: Battlefield overview Kherson Russian troops continue to construct defences on the East bank of Dnipro River...
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Battlefield overview​

Kherson​

Russian troops continue to construct defences on the East bank of Dnipro River fearing Ukrainian advances.
Russia sent almost a BTG (special forces and mobilized) to a desert island on the Dnipro River (Bolhshoi Potiomskenskiy), in Kherson region to attempt preventing Ukraine to disembark on the East side of Dnipro River and continue to liberate the rest of Kherson region or to enter through Kinburn spit. The Russian troops on the island are open to artillery strikes and have already attracted interest from Ukrainian artillerymen.

Vuhledar​

No significant changes. Russian troops trying to accumulate resources for the next attempt to attack Ukrainian defenders. The Russian attacks are mainly conducted with small groups, 9-20 men.

Soledar, Mariinka & Bahmut​

Russia has intensified its efforts to attack Bahmut even further and has numerical advantage in the area, constantly sending waves of VDV, Wagner mercenaries and mobilized.
In Jakolivka, next to Soledar, Russian forces made some advances which makes the situation more difficult but it’s not critical. The Russian gains may also be reversed.
The Russian artillery fire has decreased in intensity, which may be indicatives of problems in artillery supply/logistics.

Svatove-Kreminna​

Local clashes between Ukrainian and Russian forces.

Kharkiv​

Russia is shelling Ukrainian territory and has attacked the Kharkiv & Kharkiv region with Iranian drones, which has almost no effect except for terrorising the local civilian population.

Berdyansk​

Although Russian sources and occupational administration denies the reports of Berdyansk airport being targeted, Ukraine has successfully hit (for potentially third time in the last two days) the Russian military base and logistic hub in occupied Berdyansk.

Putin publicly acknowledging Russia’s attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure​

Putin has publicly acknowledged Russia attacking Ukrainian critical civilian infrastructure in his public TV address, taking responsibility for these war crimes.

New EU fund to help member states with military help to Ukraine​

EU countries are increasing the size of the European Peace Fund by 2B euros, to the total of 6B euros. This fund is meant to help EU country members with military aid to Ukraine while fighting Russian invasion.

Germany prepares to send Leopards. Maybe.​

Some sources report Germany preparing Leopard-2 tanks to be sent to Ukraine. If it finally happens it will be very useful for Ukrainian counteroffensive and help Ukraine liberate its territories at a lower cost, saving Ukrainian lives.
The only thing delaying the transfer of weapons to Ukraine and the liberation of Ukrainian territory from the Russian occupiers is the West’s irrational fear of Putin who has already lost.

New EU sanctions against Russia​

The new EU sanctions against Russia will target 200 individuals implicated in aggression against Ukraine. Additionally, the EU is aiming to stop Russian state-propaganda channels broadcasting in Europe (1kanal, Rossia24, etc.).

Russia discussing the exchange of Russian assets detained in Ukraine​

Russia is trying to negotiate the exchange of detained civilians. Russia is trying to exchange Ukrainian civilians for Russian assets and spies detained and convicted in Ukraine for crimes against Ukraine and Ukrainians.

US-Russia prisoner exchange – hostage WNBA player for Russian arms dealer​

The US and Russia prisoner swap involved exchange of African-American NBA Brittney Griner for convicted terrorist and arms dealer Viktor Bout. Ms Griner was detained in Moscow’s airport for possession of medical cannabis oil and given an extremely harsh sentence by Russian authorities in what can only be described as a kidnapping and hostage situation.
Effectively working for the Russian GRU, Bout was captured and convicted for dealing arms, selling weapons to terrorists and planning murder of American citizens. He spent more than 10years in American prison and may have collaborated with US authorities. Now, he may not have any value for the US except to be exchanged to rescue an American hostage held by Russia.

Turkey profiting with Russian gas sanctions​

Turkey is set to get a 25% discount when buying Russian gas. With the EU market closed to Russia and lack of suitable infrastructure for transport of gas to other countries, Russia finds itself forced to sell gas and oil at low prices, losing massive profit.

Merkel’s change in rhetoric and Germany’s role in nurturing Putin​

Frau Merkel claims that “Minsk agreements were meant to give Ukraine more time to prepare for the confrontation with Russia”. This is a change in tone from the ex-Chanceler who was known as Putin’s main in the political arena.
Indeed, for years Merkel, together with France, were forcing Ukraine into ceasefire agreement with Russia, ignoring offensive behaviour from Russian and so-called “D/LPR” delegation towards Ukraine, inviting petty criminals and Russian terrorists to the “peace talks”. Merkel systematically promoted Ukrainian capitulation in the Minsk agreement in service of cheap gas from Russia. Moreover, in all those years Germany did not provide Ukraine with military or financial aid to prepare for or fend off the Russian invasion.
Frau Merkel must admit her mistakes and role in the current war:
-Merkel was main ally and defender of Putin & Russia (turning a blind eye on Russian aggression & crimes, defending Putin)
-She blocked Ukraine & Georgia applying to NATO
-She dismantled German Army and Intelligence services
-She created Germany’s dependence on Russian gas and championed NordStrem1&2
-She forced Ukraine to sign Minsk agreements and sided with Russia
Instead of searching for ridiculous excuses, she could apologise for her mistakes following the steps of Steinmeier who has changed his view and is helping Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression.
 
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