Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

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What happened to all the 3-day trolls here that supported their Comrades in Russia?
 
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viper13 said:
We do not want to be sitting here in 20 years time facing a Russian army that are all autonomous and can be produced in the 1000's overnight. Or to face weapons that have no moving parts but release unbelievable amounts of energy that virtually vaporizes whatever it is aimed at. Or a weapon that has an effectiveness window of 24 hours but can be deployed to a hostile area and render all combatants (organic material) incapacitated allowing for easy capture/disposal (not talking chemical or biological weapons either). And these are just some of the ideas in the west so not even thinking about the nightmares that the Russians can come up with over a bottle of Count Pushkin.
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This isn't Command and Conquer mate. Be realistic. Their main "superweapons" that supposedly exist have been no-shows in this conflict despite its obvious importance to Putin. They're struggling to make more than a few modern cruise missiles now that they've used a huge chunk of their older stock. I don't see them bouncing back in weapons tech even given decades. It would be Russia borrowing from China if anything.
 
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Nope, Ukraine first then whats next? Do you for one second think that by some miracle that would satisfy their desires and not just transfer the risk onto their new neighbors alongside annexed territory?

And besides, while its fun to debate this nonsense for shieets and giggles, the bottom line is that Ukraine is a sovereign country and they (Russian) just decided to try and take it for themselves., by any means possible, including slaughtering the population in the process indiscriminately.
Those are the facts, none of which is acceptable, and the rest of the 'what if's' are just conjecture and irrelevant to the actual situation in Ukraine.
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Agree, this whole thing shouldn't have happened. But I was discussing what do we do to get out of this mess now. As I highlighted there are very few options and no treaty or agreement signed with Russia and the west will be worth the paper it is printed on after the Minsk agreements disaster. So it's either get Russia to stop where they are at the moment and give them what they have already claimed as theirs at the moment or push them back to the Russian border but that contains greater risks further down the line again because the Russian government will use it as a way to unite and rally the Russian people to endure hardships while focusing on military developments.

The best outcome we can hope for is that Putin is forced out/steps down and that the replacement is not a total whackjob.
 
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ForceFate said:
It fell off a while ago.
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Let me guess, because I don't support the US/NATO then I must be a Russian troll/supporter. Oh please, that is such a narrow-minded stance to have. So I suppose your opinion is supreme and is the only opinion to have then. That itself is very Russian of you.

I don't support the US because of the atrocities they have committed in the past. I don't support NATO because the US controls the organisation (doesn't matter what nationality the guy at the top is and you know that). I don't believe anything that either side in the conflict says because it is all just BS meant to undermine the morale of the other side's troops. I don't trust the mainstream media from the US mostly because of how they spewed lies before to promote US interests.

I have not been swallowing media statements as fact and blindly trying to defend a side's position. My opinion has changed since the beginning as has many people's. But it is becoming very clear that countries and companies are now starting to ask questions about the reasons behind a lot of the sanctions and restrictions that the US are pushing. Even ASML is questioning what is really behind these actions since they all seem to be to the benefit of US companies. Funny how most of the sanctions and restrictions have funneled business to the US at the expense of the EU.

But I guess that makes me a Russian troll. For having my own opinion.
 
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viper13 said:
Agree, this whole thing shouldn't have happened. But I was discussing what do we do to get out of this mess now. As I highlighted there are very few options and no treaty or agreement signed with Russia and the west will be worth the paper it is printed on after the Minsk agreements disaster. So it's either get Russia to stop where they are at the moment and give them what they have already claimed as theirs at the moment or push them back to the Russian border but that contains greater risks further down the line again because the Russian government will use it as a way to unite and rally the Russian people to endure hardships while focusing on military developments.

The best outcome we can hope for is that Putin is forced out/steps down and that the replacement is not a total whackjob.
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This is not an option, and you should know it.

Say you give them what they "annexed or claimed" and the war stops. Nothing stops them from regrouping and stocking up on weapons, ammo etc. just to do the exact same thing in a couple of years. Why would they not? They could just keep doing this until they have the entire Ukraine.

They annexed Crimea in 2014. A few years later they "annexed" Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts in 2022. Nothing will stop them from waiting another 8-10 years just to do the same.

The only thing that can hopefully stop what's happening now, is the removal of Putin.
 
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