Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

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Unhappy438 said:
Second world war? Lol not even close. The amount of material used for the ww2 effort is unfathomable.

For anyone interested google liberty ships.
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Says the speed of, not the total amount. I wouldn't know one way or the other
 
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I never knew what a truly nice little city Mariupol was before they destroyed it and I researched it a bit. It really was it's own little quaint, but pleasant cultural microcosm. I think it being gone is a bit like a species of animal going extinct. Never to be seen again. You can't fake the depth of character that place had, in an attempt to make it right, any more than you can bring a lost species back using furry or feathered automatons.

That is of course just my perception. But it's loss is sad I think even apart from the horror of any city just being levelled by barbarians. And it is a crime.
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It's a post communist city given a pseudo-Greek name, ala Kherson, by Catherine the Great. As long as the people are not dead, it can be rebuilt.

It's nice though of Westerners such as yourself, who are clueless about the nature of suffering in Central and Eastern Europe to learn some history and not see WW2 and what followed merely through your own eyes, eg the Blitz and D-Day and associated movies. Sadly ignorance is heavy among the Westerners. It's also due to Western chauvinism and romantic love for Russia and their second rate music and literature. But that's another story.

A city like Warsaw destroyed to complete rubble was rebuilt by the local people only with no help from the West thanks to Russia which blocked aid. Mariupol can too be easily rebuilt given Ukraine is not alone unlike the countries sold out to the Soviets in 1945.

It's also great that our efforts in Central Europe are starting to pay off. Getting the Americans involved, as getting the Great Powers involved in WW2 was an aim and was achieved to some degree. The latter was Minister Beck's great achievement.
 
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It's a post communist city given a pseudo-Greek name, ala Kherson, by Catherine the Great. As long as the people are not dead, it can be rebuilt.

It's nice though of Westerners such as yourself, who are clueless about the nature of suffering in Central and Eastern Europe to learn some history and not see WW2 and what followed merely through your own eyes, eg the Blitz and D-Day and associated movies. Sadly ignorance is heavy among the Westerners. It's also due to Western chauvinism and romantic love for Russia and their second rate music and literature. But that's another story.

A city like Warsaw destroyed to complete rubble was rebuilt by the local people only with no help from the West thanks to Russia which blocked aid. Mariupol can too be easily rebuilt given Ukraine is not alone unlike the countries sold out to the Soviets in 1945.

It's also great that our efforts in Central Europe are starting to pay off. Getting the Americans involved, as getting the Great Powers involved in WW2 was an aim and was achieved to some degree. The latter was Minister Beck's great achievement.
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I was merely speaking to the vibe of the place as observed through pictures and video. I'm quite aware of a lot of the suffering experienced. Do I know it all? Of course not. For one I didn't even know of the existence of Mariupol before this war. Is that ignorance? Yes of course - By the definition of the word. But in other ways it is not the kind of ignorance that should be lamented. How much can somebody from Eastern Europe tell me about the history of strife here in SA where I've lived all my life without Googling it? It's actually fairly unusual to find somebody who knows everything about everywhere.
 
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Russia still believes pounding civilian infrastructure will have the population turn on Zelensky and embrace them.



A fresh barrage of fatal Russian strikes hit cities across Ukraine early Friday, cutting water and electricity in major urban hubs and piling pressure on the grid in sub-zero temperatures.

AFP journalists in Kyiv reported several loud explosions and the mayor said the metro had stopped running to allow residents to take shelter in underground stations.

The strikes killed two people and injured several others — including children — in the southern city of Kryvyi Rih, President Volodymyr Zelensky's hometown.

The Kremlin has also said Kyiv was ultimately responsible for the humanitarian impact of the strikes for refusing to capitulate to Russian negotiation terms.

. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022...assive-missile-barrage-at-ukraine-grid-a79720
 
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Major Boredom said:
Still havent answered which international law forbids assassination of a nations leader.
The USA have their own law which forbids any US citizen from assasinating a world leader, but that isnt an international law.
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International law=“whatever annoys some armchair warrior”
 
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Often used by P/R Bots as justification is the "downplaying" of Russian culture and language.

Even after Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) threatened to abduct and imprison her in Siberia, she continued to refuse to teach a Russian curriculum. When some other teachers chose to work with the Russians, she tried to collect their names and turn them over to Ukrainian authorities.

Ukrainian teacher risked prison in Siberia to expose collaborators in occupied Snihurivka

SNIHURIVKA, Mykolaiv Oblast — When Russian forces seized her town, chemistry teacher Natalia Vorobiova had a choice: collaborate and be left alone or defy them and risk everything. She chose defiance. Even after Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) threatened to abduct
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I was merely speaking to the vibe of the place as observed through pictures and video. I'm quite aware of a lot of the suffering experienced. Do I know it all? Of course not. For one I didn't even know of the existence of Mariupol before this war. Is that ignorance? Yes of course - By the definition of the word. But in other ways it is not the kind of ignorance that should be lamented. How much can somebody from Eastern Europe tell me about the history of strife here in SA where I've lived all my life without Googling it? It's actually fairly unusual to find somebody who knows everything about everywhere.
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I'm not blaming you. I think it's good you're looking up stuff. But just saying how the average person in the West thinks of WW2 as D-Day and the "French Resistance" which was pathetic in relation to other movements and how Russia saved the day at the end. USSR then became just an backward, bad guys but incompetent and nowhere near German Nazi level of evil. Just a warped idea of WW2. Then also of what followed. It's good what you're doing.

Even Western "greats" like Timothy Snynder, are a little fscked and biased in the head, he didn't even know a guy like Pilecki existed.

You can only look a couple years back to see all the reports of "Russophobia" and dismissal of the warnings about Russia or the browning of the noses of generations of Western leaders and industry leaders on Russian ar$holes in bending over to them ever since USSR collapsed all the while offering platitudes about united Europe. You think this will end, I am skeptical.
 
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viper13 said:
Yes, African countries will buy some but there are other developing countries that will buy that are not African. There is also the resale of Russian gas and oil which is already posing a bit of a challenge. The fact that Russia has been shown up as not being as powerful as they were expected to be is likely to be the reason why the added focus on weapons development will take place. I suspect the Ruskies are also going to revamp their military structures and training to address the many issues that have been exploited in this conflict. I also suspect that they will push for a national basic service that will be compulsory much like Israel does.
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Putin went on a massive military rebuild, which turns out to have been a failure. The only way for Russia to rebuild their military is to get rid of their corrupt leadership, both political and military. And there in lies the reason they will fail again. That corrupt political and military leadership is not going allow anyone to get rid of them. Getting rid of them is going to require a violent uprising in Russia. And that is unlikely to happen. The problem is not their equipment. It’s their leadership.
 
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The Ukrainians have been successfully in their recent counter offensive with the help of western weapons. But do not forget that this counteroffensive would not have been possible if the Ukrainians did not stop the Russians in the early days of the Russian invasion. The Ukrainians stopped the Russians cold, with equipment inferior to what the Russians had and much of it dating to the Soviet era
 
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