Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 7

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Mirai said:
I'm not blaming you. I think it's good you're looking up stuff. But just saying how the average person in the West thinks of WW2 as D-Day and the "French Resistance" which was pathetic in relation to other movements and how Russia saved the day at the end. USSR then became just an backward, bad guys but incompetent and nowhere near German Nazi level of evil. Just a warped idea of WW2. Then also of what followed. It's good what you're doing.

Even Western "greats" like Timothy Snynder, are a little fscked and biased in the head, he didn't even know a guy like Pilecki existed.

You can only look a couple years back to see all the reports of "Russophobia" and dismissal of the warnings about Russia or the browning of the noses of generations of Western leaders and industry leaders on Russian ar$holes in bending over to them ever since USSR collapsed all the while offering platitudes about united Europe. You think this will end, I am skeptical.
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Contextual understanding is usually limited to the one experienced. WW2 from the US perspective, near as I can tell, was something like this.

"Sheesh look at the old world powers having a right tizz again. So glad we're not part of that anymore"
..."Ain't nobody got time for that"
..."WTF! How did they get Japan involved in a European war?? WTF did they have to attack us for!"
..."Gawd fine we'll bite. All in. Fix the world or die trying."
..."Jesus this Europe is a right mess. Slogging. Slogging. Slogging."
..."There. 3rd Reich down... On to the Japanese. Chop chop. Leave Europe to Europe. They can sort it out now the cancer is cut out. Triage rules. Sorry not sorry."
..."Time for our problems. Japan will fall!"
..."Done. Man that was painful."

And if that is their take (which I'm only speculating, since I'm not American), then that is fine, because it's what they lived.
 
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The supply of air defense systems to prevent Russia from destroying civilian targets in Ukraine using missiles is escalating ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1603425562730586117
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And that's still 80's tech.

MIM-104C (PAC-2)​

During the late 1980s, tests began to indicate that, although Patriot was certainly capable of intercepting inbound ballistic missiles, it was questionable whether the MIM-104A/B missile was capable of destroying them reliably. This necessitated the introduction of the PAC-2 missile and system upgrade.

For the system, the PAC-2 upgrade was similar to the PAC-1 upgrade. Radar search algorithms were further optimized, and the beam protocol while in "TBM search" was further modified. PAC-2 also saw Patriot's first major missile upgrade, with the introduction of the MIM-104C, or PAC-2 missile. This missile was optimized for ballistic missile engagements. Major changes to the PAC-2 missile were the size of the projectiles in its blast-fragmentation warhead (changed from around 2 grams to around 45 grams), and the timing of the pulse-Doppler radar fuse, which was optimized for high-speed engagements (though it retained its old algorithm for aircraft engagements if necessary). Engagement procedures were also optimized, changing the method of fire the system used to engage ballistic missiles. Instead of launching two missiles in an almost simultaneous salvo, a brief delay (between 3 and 4 seconds) was added in order to allow the second missile launched to discriminate a ballistic missile warhead in the aftermath of the explosion of the first.

PAC-2 was first tested in 1987 and reached Army units in 1990, just in time for deployment to the Middle East for the Persian Gulf War. It was there that Patriot was first regarded as a successful ABM system and proof that ballistic missile defense was indeed possible. The complete study on its effectiveness remains classified.
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sefeddt said:
The supply of air defense systems to prevent Russia from destroying civilian targets in Ukraine using missiles is escalating ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1603425562730586117
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So as you can see the Poles were right to want to lend the German Patriot system to Ukraine now that US is going to be sending Patriots to Ukraine. Pity Germany did not see it that way but there is still a bit of Russia-love in that country among some elites. Whether it is guilt over WW2, or memory of mass rape of Russians on Germans or perhaps good deals and ties which followed, warming of ties between the West and USSR and finally the Russian Federation, it may just be a combination of these.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
Contextual understanding is usually limited to the one experienced. WW2 from the US perspective, near as I can tell, was something like this.
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Context is often shaped by pop culture and education. In that setting the education focused on the Western front and did not want to go too deeply in appeasement of the USSR, while pop culture is largely Hollywood and that focuses on the glory of French Resistance, America, Britain and maybe Australia all the while making the Russians into those kind of autistic but good at heart boys who only had Uncle Joe but Uncle Joe grew a conscience during WW2 and was a swell guy. I also remember some English graphic novels from the 80s which were pretty nasty and wrong in their portrayal of UK's allies. The hero Brit was threatened by the said allies, I remember a "maybe I should put a bullet between your eyes Englishman". Then again there was a pro-German/Hitler camp in the UK too back in the 30s.

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"Sheesh look at the old world powers having a right tizz again. So glad we're not part of that anymore"
..."Ain't nobody got time for that"
..."WTF! How did they get Japan involved in a European war?? WTF did they have to attack us for!"
..."Gawd fine we'll bite. All in. Fix the world or die trying."
..."Jesus this Europe is a right mess. Slogging. Slogging. Slogging."
..."There. 3rd Reich down... On to the Japanese. Chop chop. Leave Europe to Europe. They can sort it out now the cancer is cut out. Triage rules. Sorry not sorry."
..."Time for our problems. Japan will fall!"
..."Done. Man that was painful."

And if that is their take (which I'm only speculating, since I'm not American), then that is fine, because it's what they lived.
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The people who lived through it all are not the people who we speak of. See my comment above.

Hence it's good you're doing research. Kudos to you.
 
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MiW said:
What war?
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Russia is at war. I know the special operation BS but once they started mobilising the Russians realised they're at war. Going on holiday at a time like that, is crazy. The more countries that ban Russians the better, so they can get the message, that war and a good time abroad don't go hand in hand. And they can ask their government to stop the BS. :)
 
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