Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Cosmik Debris said:
And Russia should have lost their UN Veto vote when the Soviet Union ceased to exist.
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The other members of the Security Council at the time felt it was risky to not let Russia continue with the Soviet Union's seat. Basically they pandered to Russia. As they've pandered to Russia since then. In diplomacy, Trade and everything. And what do they get? A spoiled Kremlin that thinks the world revolves around them and believes they have carte blanche to do whatever they want. Lesson learnt hopefully. Clearly tough love is the only way.
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Its 2023 and this man is still petrified of covid :ROFL:
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Who this super strong macho guy? Afraid of a virus that doesn't exist? Never.

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tetrasect said:
Mandela's ANC and today's ANC are diametrically opposed.
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There's some alignment, ever less, but certainly Mandela's ANC was for true neutrality and moral leadership on the world stage. Definitely acknowledged the roles both the East and the West played to end apartheid. not even nearly as corrupt. The Soviet Union didn't even sanction SA during apartheid. Though relations weren't warm by any means - The Soviet Union was one of the few economic lifelines for the apartheid government in trade of a variety of goods. And The ANC today errs in favour of whatever the current bowel movement tells them. It's half stomach. Half Populism. Zero brain.

A state of affairs ushered in by the Zuma faction, and doubled down on since the EFF turned SA politics hard towards populism and anti-western sentiment. Which the ANC chose to compete on the same terms in.
 
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upup said:
I think , if it was not for Russia, South Africa would have look different today. They help all the countries north of us to invade them, or am I wrong. I think they help the anc long time ago. If Russia did not help them, maybe we would have been living in a better place.
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Apartheid was on the way out ANC or no ANC. For the real story you have to look back to what the ANC did to prominent, and often extremely successful black South Africans, during the last few years of apartheid, who didn't want to join the ANC. And why. During unrest that was not even needed to usher in democracy in SA. And then who trained the ANC in philosophy, tactics and also supplied them with weapons.
 
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upup said:
I think , if it was not for Russia, South Africa would have look different today. They help all the countries north of us to invade them, or am I wrong. I think they help the anc long time ago. If Russia did not help them, maybe we would have been living in a better place.
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Technically, Ukraine SSR was under the umbrella of the decision to assist countries in Africa during wars of independence.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
There's some alignment, ever less, but certainly Mandela's ANC was for true neutrality and moral leadership on the world stage. Definitely acknowledged the roles both the East and the West played to end apartheid. not even nearly as corrupt. The Soviet Union didn't even sanction SA during apartheid. Though relations weren't warm by any means - The Soviet Union was one of the few economic lifelines for the apartheid government in trade of a variety of goods. And The ANC today errs in favour of whatever the current bowel movement tells them. It's half stomach. Half Populism. Zero brain.

A state of affairs ushered in by the Zuma faction, and doubled down on since the EFF turned SA politics hard towards populism and anti-western sentiment. Which the ANC chose to compete on the same terms in.
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The EFF is the ANC's experimental wing. They push controversial issues and the ANC judges the public response. If accepted by the dead brain voters, the issue is adopted. If not accepted, the ANC just blames the EFF for populism. There is no difference between the ANC and EFF. It's a branch, not a separate party.
 
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ForceFate said:
That't not entirely true. ANC only began adopting Marxism in the 50s.
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The SACP was founded by Comrade Bill Andrews in 1921. Stalin decreed that the SACP would have a black leader. Comrade JT Gumede, a senior ANC leader, was appointed as head of the SACP in 1928 after returning from Moscow with Stalin's black leadership decree.

Stalin implemented apartheid long before the Nats even came to power.
 
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All restrictions imposed by the European Union and the United States also relate to non-Russian individuals and organizations that would like to provide parts and services for Russia, Airbus told The Wall Street Journal newspaper: "Any supplier, airline or firm engaged in technical support and maintenance will be excluded from the Airbus customer list if they supply Russian air carriers with its parts." Of the 696 airliners operating in Russia, 77 % are Airbus and Boeing planes; 97 % of passenger traffic in the country is carried by Western liners, the Bank of Russia reported.

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