Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[rambo919]

That's a postmodern, "leftist" take on it. The least of these includes the sinner, in that context. The Russian Orthodox would agree with me here.

Nah ur just making this up as you go along.

Yup because it's ok to sometimes be driven by one's "America hate" to be willing to let Russians commit horrible deeds and let them off the hook over it.

This is narrow minded propaganda. Fun fact.... if I had to hate anyone aubjectively because of their direct threat level to me I would hate Murica as much as I would Russia.....

Feser has destroyed your whole spiel. If you disagree with Feser you must then claim you are some sort of protestant from one of these happy clappy guitar churches. That's OK, but that's your take on things inspired by your pastor's and your understanding and since you don't even know the Byzantines you are not in this argument rationally.

Nah I am just not hard Calvanist..... that worked our really well for Geneva didn't it?

 

[Cray]

Nah I'm not going to be baited into answering an obviously troll question.

It's a perfectly straight forward question, the reason you call it a troll question.is because you don't like the possible implications of your answer.

Here, I'll go first, am against the sort of targeted bombing used against civillian areas like in Dresden and now in Ukraine. Care to have a swing at it?

 

[ForceFate]

Nah I'm not going to be baited into answering an obviously troll question.

I've been on n these boards long enough to understand your level of trolling. See, my post simply states you support Russia in all her endeavours, whether morally reprehensible or not. You support the ideology. You support the doctrines.

Yeah..... that's quite the context shift you have going there.


You seem very much like a single issue voter....

 

[rambo919]

It's a perfectly straight forward question, the reason you call it a troll question.is because you don't like the possible implications of your answer.

Here, I'll go first, am against the sort of targeted bombing used against civillian areas like in Dresden and now in Ukraine. Care to have a swing at it?

Given how you asked the question with the obvious ridicule in it.... you must be stupid if you don't see how I could possibly be suspicious of your intent.

 

[rambo919]

I've been on n these boards long enough to understand your level of trolling. See my post simply states you support Russia in all her endeavours, whether morally reprehensible or not. You support the ideology. You support the doctrines.

You accuse me of all those things I never actually said i support..... and you accuse me of trolling?

You really need to find better strawmen.

 

[Cray]

Given how you asked the question with the obvious ridicule in it.... you must be stupid if you don't see how I could possibly be suspicious of your intent.

You were going on about the supposed hypocrisy and self righteousness of people in this thread with but the moment you get a but of push back you complain about ridicule?

 

[Dave]

This should start happening a bit more.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1644004458634813445

 

[rambo919]

You were going on about the supposed hypocrisy and self righteousness of people in this thread with but the moment you get a but of push back you complain about ridicule?

It's a perfectly straight forward question, the reason you call it a troll question.is because you don't like the possible implications of your answer.

Here, I'll go first, am against the sort of targeted bombing used against civillian areas like in Dresden and now in Ukraine. Care to have a swing at it?

Let me show you how you are being an arse on purpose. And why I don't feel exceptionally speedy in replying to your fake questions.

They see it as a defensive war against the Satanic post-Christian West that seeks to make them a client-state and globalize their culture.

See the bold there?

That said however, the West IS Satanic in the ultra individualist broad sense of the term so they are not wrong there.

See how I am explaining how they would think that?

No, I really do. Considering your whole "The West is satanic", would be interesting to see your comments on this guy..

See how you conflated the two into a new pro-Russia narrative strawman painting me as a religious kook where you are obviously making fun of me?

Am curious as to your reasons why you would ever choose Russia as your team

See what you keep doing no matter how many times I say I am not "chosing Russia as my team" in a variety of different ways? How you keep proving you won't take any answer from me in good faith and always decide to twist it to dance to your narrative?

 

[Cray]

See what you keep doing no matter how many times I say I am not "chosing Russia as my team" in a variety of different ways? How you keep proving you won't take any answer from me in good faith and always decide to twist it to dance to your narrative?

When I asked the question below, it was a hypothetical, asking..

Am curious as to your reasons why you would ever choose Russia as your team

You said you don't have a team yet, as if there was a possibility of choosing Russia as your team, so if you cannot see yourself supporting Russia in this conflict, all you had to do is say so.

 

[Cray]

See how you conflated the two into a new pro-Russia narrative strawman painting me as a religious kook where you are obviously making fun of me?

You said that Russia sees the West as satanic (which in itself is BS) you then stated the following...

That said however, the West IS Satanic in the ultra individualist broad sense of the term so they are not wrong there.

So not only do you attest to the idea that Russia sees the West as Satanic, but you then claim that they are correct in their beliefs.. So it's clearly an idea you are okay with, if not, all you had to say is

"Some Russians see the West as satanic,, obviously that not my view...."

but instead you said that the Russians where correct in this belief... How are you being misrepresented?

Your bring your religion into pretty much everything. It's not my fault people regard you as being super religious. I mean look at that video you posted in the Nashville shooting thread.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You seem very much like a single issue voter....

How about arguing the point instead of making an assumption?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Nah ur just making this up as you go along.

Yet you have no counter argument?

This is narrow minded propaganda. Fun fact.... if I had to hate anyone aubjectively because of their direct threat level to me I would hate Murica as much as I would Russia.....

Tell me what threat America poses to you?

Nah I am just not hard Calvanist..... that worked our really well for Geneva didn't it?

Your point is what?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Let me show you how you are being an arse on purpose. And why I don't feel exceptionally speedy in replying to your fake questions.

Ah, the appeal to ridicule in order to avoid an uncomfortable argument that challenges your convictions.

See how I am explaining how they would think that?

Not at all. Please explain how they would think that?

painting me as a religious kook

You did that. Nobody else.

 

[rambo919]

When I asked the question below, it was a hypothetical, asking..

You said you don't have a team yet, as if there was a possibility of choosing Russia as your team, so if you cannot see yourself supporting Russia in this conflict, all you had to do is say so.

Well it was interpreted as laconic rhetoric.

 

[Mirai]

Nah ur just making this up as you go along.

Might makes right and shifting moral doctrine. For example lack of absolutes such as killing of innocents. Hence your one issue voter comment. Look your approach is morally relativistic. That's post modern. Utilitarian. Consequential.

This is narrow minded propaganda. Fun fact.... if I had to hate anyone aubjectively because of their direct threat level to me I would hate Murica as much as I would Russia.....

Oikophobia seems to be a thing among many who support Russia.

Nah I am just not hard Calvanist..... that worked our really well for Geneva didn't it?

Calvinism is different. The view that one's duty is to correct the sinner is an ancient Christian view. Calvinists believe in predestination, meaning if you're meant to be damned, you'll be damned regardless. This is not a discussion for this topic. Suffice to say you speak for Russia and her motives but you don't even know the Byzantine's ideology and dogma.

 

[rambo919]

You said that Russia sees the West as satanic (which in itself is BS) you then stated the following...

No I said a specific group in Russia believes this and that Russia is at war with it because of that.

So not only do you attest to the idea that Russia sees the West as Satanic, but you then claim that they are correct in their beliefs.. So it's clearly an idea you are okay with, if not, all you had to say is

I only affirmed the first part of the argument, not the second part. Russia is at war with the West because it want's a piece of the pie regionally and is using the Satanic narrative as a carrot for the Russia people... the fact that it happens to be true in large part does in no way mean that is why Russia is doing it. Because you look down on me however you assume I am in full agreement.

"Some Russians see the West as satanic,, obviously that not my view...."

I do not have the habit of constantly affirming my innocence in everything like a guilty child caught in the act no.

Your bring your religion into pretty much everything. It's not my fault people regard you as being super religious. I mean look at that video you posted in the Nashville shooting thread.

There is a difference between looking at the world through "a" religious pov and believing every single thing every "religious" person does. It does not help that you constantly laugh at everything regarding this showing your opinion of your own superiority because you are not "religious". If you openly flaunt your sanctimony don't be surprised if it's picked up on.

 

[Mirai]

Russia is just using what ticks people off in other countries. For the disgruntled "the left is after us" and the "gays will make us gay" crowd the idea that Putin and Co are fighting against LGBT-corporatism-whathaveyou etc is an attractive one. But the average Russian doesn't know anything about these issues. There are LGBTI people who are oppressed in Russia and they feel it on their skin but the average Russian is just an average joe who doesn't feel foreign NGO "pro-LGBTI" influence. They have bigger issues to deal with, such as poor infrastructure, corruption, nepotism, organised crime and now mobilisation to fight and die in Russia's war of conquest to make Russia, the world's largest country, larger. If you cared from a religious or a secular point of view about these Russians, you'd be advocating them to stop fighting, return to their borders and only defend those. Russia should tackle her social problems. Instead of fighting wars to have more land and more cannon fodder.

Similarly Russia has been pushing Black Lives Matter in the US (taking advantage of social problems in America) and also screwing with developing states by attacking the western bogeyman and promoting their own hyped up hot air solution which benefit Russia. Others must support Russia but Russia will do nothing for them. For example in South Africa, many millions of people are kept alive by Western developed and India-licensed HIV fighting drugs. Will SA use Russian/Chinese developed HIV fighting drugs or will SA stand independent only in hot air as well? If I ran a country and a good percentage of my people were kept alive by another country, I wouldn't cause trouble with that country. Even out of freaking human gratitude.

 

[rambo919]

Might makes right and shifting moral doctrine. For example lack of absolutes such as killing of innocents. Hence your one issue voter comment. Look your approach is morally relativistic. That's post modern. Utilitarian. Consequential.

You make the same mistake all propagandists make, you assume everything is emotionally tied so you tie everything to emotion. This is like assuming there is a moral quandry involved in a rock smashing an ant.... it's simply something that happens.

But given you confuse the what with the why and the how at the same time this distinction is lost on you.

Oikophobia seems to be a thing among many who support Russia.

Given that you jingoistically interpret a lack of support for Ukraine as de facto support for Russia in your false dichotomy.... you won't see how this is a false statement.

Calvinism is different. The view that one's duty is to correct the sinner is an ancient Christian view. Calvinists believe in predestination, meaning if you're meant to be damned, you'll be damned regardless. This is not a discussion for this topic. Suffice to say you speak for Russia and her motives but you don't even know the Byzantine's ideology and dogma.

And yet it is the Calvanist way to scold into submission and hate your enemy... because he is your enemy after all he was not predestined to be your friend.

 

[rambo919]

Russia is just using what ticks people off in other countries. For the disgruntled "the left is after us" and the "gays will make us gay" crowd the idea that Putin and Co are fighting against LGBT-corporatism-whathaveyou etc is an attractive one. But the average Russian doesn't know anything about these issues. There are LGBTI people who are oppressed in Russia and they feel it on their skin but the average Russian is just an average joe who doesn't feel foreign NGO "pro-LGBTI" influence. They have bigger issues to deal with, such as poor infrastructure, corruption, nepotism, organised crime and now mobilisation to fight and die in Russia's war of conquest to make Russia, the world's largest country, larger. If you cared from a religious or a secular point of view about these Russians, you'd be advocating them to stop fighting, return to their borders and only defend those. Russia should tackle her social problems. Instead of fighting wars to have more land and more cannon fodder.

Similarly Russia has been pushing Black Lives Matter in the US (taking advantage of social problems in America) and also screwing with developing states by attacking the western bogeyman and promoting their own hyped up hot air solution which benefit Russia. Others must support Russia but Russia will do nothing for them. For example in South Africa, many millions of people are kept alive by Western developed and India-licensed HIV fighting drugs. Will SA use Russian/Chinese developed HIV fighting drugs or will SA stand independent only in hot air as well? If I ran a country and a good percentage of my people were kept alive by another country, I wouldn't cause trouble with that country. Even out of freaking human gratitude.

Here is your problem.... just because Russia happens to be doing some of this.... does not mean in itself it is either right or wrong.

 

[Mirai]

Here is your problem.... just because Russia happens to be doing some of this.... does not mean in itself it is either right or wrong.

Russians are doing some of those things and these are wrong things to do. If you claim Russia is Christian she should not sow discord in other countries. She should act out of genuine charity. And not out of cynical self self interest at the expense of others, eg social strife in America. You know who it is who divides...the word devil originates from "to divide", Greek diabolos.