Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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buka001 said:
Damn. It was a shot in the dark from me in trying to understand your psyche a little more. Looks like I hit the nail on the head.

Your constant need to revert to religious reasoning and illogical fear of Satanism, gave me food for thought.
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Mate, if I believe in demons.... why on earth would I not believe in witchcraft and demonic activity?
 
The Trutherizer

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MiW said:

www.pravda.com.ua

Classified US and NATO documents detailing preparations for Ukrainian offensive leaked on social media

The New York Times has reported that classified military documents “detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russia” have been circulated on Twitter and Telegram.
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The New York Times has reported that classified military documents "detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russia" have been circulated on Twitter and Telegram.

Source: The New York Times, citing a senior Biden administration official

Details: According to the New York Times, the Pentagon is currently investigating who may have leaked the documents that appeared on social media.

Military analysts told the NYT that the documents appear to have been altered, overstating American estimates of Ukrainian losses and understating estimates of Russian losses. The analysts told the NYT that these modifications could indicate an effort by Moscow to spread disinformation.

Biden officials have been working to get the documents deleted from social media but had not, as of the evening of 6 April, succeeded.

"We are aware of the reports of social media posts and the department is reviewing the matter," said Sabrina Singh, the deputy press secretary at the Pentagon.

The NYT reported that the documents "do not provide specific battle plans, like how, when, and where Ukraine intends to launch its offensive" but "offer a snapshot of time — the American and Ukrainian view, as of March 1, of what Ukrainian troops might need for the campaign".
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Ah yes... Pravda (not).

The article, which exists, actually says: "Classified war documents detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russian troops"
Not "against Russia"

The difference is likely to intentional to make it sound like a planned attack on Russia. That's what most people would assume on first read. And that is not what it is.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
Ah yes... Pravda (not).

The article, which exists, actually says: "Classified war documents detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russian troops"
Not "against Russia"

The difference is likely to intentional to make it sound like a planned attack on Russia. That's what most people would assume on first read. And that is not what it is.
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They suck at English. It should have read "counter-offensive against Russian troops in Ukraine".

EDIT: Better yet, "Russian invaders"
 
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MiW said:
Plainly stated numerous times by Russia in different forms. They want to regress to cold war times and Iron curtains and market it as a New world order. Just can't they do it on their own, without trying to drag SA down with them? Even India, China and Brazil are not biting on their stupid rhetoric.

Any peace talks must be centred on ‘new world order’: Lavrov​

Moscow wants any Ukraine peace talks to be centred on creating a “new world order”, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on a visit to Turkey.
“Any negotiation needs to be based on taking into account Russian interests … needs to be about the principles on which the new world order will be based,” Lavrov said.
He added that Russia rejects a “unipolar world order led by ‘one hegemon'”
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They can come with ideas on how to change the world order all they want. Anybody can. Most things are up for debate (though of course many are not). But that's the first major issue. Nobody knows exactly what Russia believes the new world order should be. And here's the thing. They won't say in succinct official terms. Why? Because if their actions and a variety of statements are anything to go by, then it will very likely become immediately and abundantly clear that Russia's vision for the world is entirely incompatible with the UN. Prominently its charter. As Russia's conduct in this conflict already is.

It would be the final straw that would see their little veto finger in the Security Council escorted out and deported as persona non grata.

Basically the way I see it they want to keep it as a surprise. They will only actually say what it is if they win this conflict. In the meantime they will extract as much diplomatic value out of the UN as they can.
 
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MiW said:
Plainly stated numerous times by Russia in different forms. They want to regress to cold war times and Iron curtains and market it as a New world order. Just can't they do it on their own, without trying to drag SA down with them? Even India, China and Brazil are not biting on their stupid rhetoric.

Any peace talks must be centred on ‘new world order’: Lavrov​

Moscow wants any Ukraine peace talks to be centred on creating a “new world order”, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on a visit to Turkey.
“Any negotiation needs to be based on taking into account Russian interests … needs to be about the principles on which the new world order will be based,” Lavrov said.
He added that Russia rejects a “unipolar world order led by ‘one hegemon'”
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He realises Russia, to put it plainly, effed up. Therefore, any negotiated settlement must take into account Russia was a "powerful" nation before crossing the border into Ukraine.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
Ah yes... Pravda (not).

The article, which exists, actually says: "Classified war documents detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russian troops"
Not "against Russia"

The difference is likely to intentional to make it sound like a planned attack on Russia. That's what most people would assume on first read. And that is not what it is.
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They really suck in English, but they Always provide the original source link , from RT to NYT , or telegram channels. That's why I like them. And the point was that the 'leaked' report seems to be altered by Russia.
 
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They can come with ideas on how to change the world order all they want. Anybody can. Most things are up for debate (though of course many are not). But that's the first major issue. Nobody knows exactly what Russia believes the new world order should be. And here's the thing. They won't say in succinct official terms. Why? Because if their actions and a variety of statements are anything to go by, then it will very likely become immediately and abundantly clear that Russia's vision for the world is entirely incompatible with the UN. Prominently its charter. As Russia's conduct in this conflict already is.

It would be the final straw that would see their little veto finger in the Security escorted out and deported as persona non grata.

Basically the way I see it they want to keep it as a surprise. They will only actually say what it is if they win this conflict. In the meantime they will extract as much diplomatic value out of the UN as they can.
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They do state the goal of the NWO in Russia. To get their world dominance back. They just can't use this on international levels..So much like Hitler, if he was alive, he could've sued Putin for plagiarism.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
And you wonder why people call you a religious kook? I suppose Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny exist too?
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Coming from someone that believes all religious people are automatically kooks....what exactly does this opinion matter?
 
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