Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Mirai

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I'll try not be condescending but you keep on with airy fairy "over the ocean" is so difficult.

You do realise that it would have been a lot cheaper to simply add a water pipeline to the Kerch bridge than a full scale invasion? It would also be shorter than the canal from the Kherson region...

You may be called a TIT now. :)
 

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I never claimed it was the only reason they invaded just one of the reasons that I personally had not seen mentioned much.

Getting that volume of water all the way from Russia to Crimea across the ocean would have been a massive undertaking, never mind extremely costly and also would have needed additional distribution to the farmlands. And for that to even be feasible they would have needed a water source in Russia of sufficient volume and consistent supply very near to Crimea. All without cannibalizing their existing water needs in those areas which appears to primarily be agriculture which would have already put the squeeze on their water resources. I don't think they had many options.

Ukraine turning off the taps must have been a slap in the face that left them smarting. It's clear Russia thought taking Ukraine would be a walk in the park so the cost they are paying now may not have been counted when they choose to invade.
The Crimean bridge cost 3.7 billion dollars, do you really think it would have cost that much extra to add in a few pipes to carry water?

Not to mention the following...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Crimean_Canal

Crimean water sources were connected to the North Crimean Canal to replace the former Ukrainian sources. The objective was to restore irrigation and urban supplies to the Kerch Peninsula and to smaller communities on the east coast of Crimea.[7] In 2014, a reservoir was built to store water of the rivers of Eastern Crimea near the village of Novoivanovka, Nyzhnohirskyi Raion. The North Crimean Canal is connected with the Novoivanovka reservoir.[8]

According to official Russian statistics, the Crimean agricultural industry fully overcame the consequences of the blocking of the North Crimean Canal and crop yields grew by a factor of 1.5 from 2013 by 2016.[9] The reported rapid growth in agricultural production in Crimea is due to the fact that, with the help of subsidies in the order of 2–3 billion rubles a year from the budget of the Russian Federation, agricultural producers in Crimea were able to increase their fleet of agricultural machinery.[10][11][12]

The canal was blocked in 2014, Crimea got along just fine in the last 5 years before the invasion. I think the Crimea water thing might have been a nice bonus, but it was a problem that had already been solved.
 
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As the D-20 is being actively used in this war and somebody is rowd funding the delivery of Scimitars to Ukraine both of which features in this video.
 
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I never claimed it was the only reason they invaded just one of the reasons that I personally had not seen mentioned much.

Getting that volume of water all the way from Russia to Crimea across the ocean would have been a massive undertaking, never mind extremely costly and also would have needed additional distribution to the farmlands. And for that to even be feasible they would have needed a water source in Russia of sufficient volume and consistent supply very near to Crimea. All without cannibalizing their existing water needs in those areas which appears to primarily be agriculture which would have already put the squeeze on their water resources. I don't think they had many options.

Ukraine turning off the taps must have been a slap in the face that left them smarting. It's clear Russia thought taking Ukraine would be a walk in the park so the cost they are paying now may not have been counted when they choose to invade.


Sooo I annex your territory and then still expect you to supply me with water ?
 

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The price for speaking out against Adolf Putin.


MOSCOW CITY COURT — Members of the court: I was sure, after two decades spent in Russian politics, after all that I have seen and experienced, that nothing can surprise me anymore. I must admit that I was wrong. I’ve been surprised by the extent to which my trial, in its secrecy and its contempt for legal norms, has surpassed even the “trials” of Soviet dissidents in the 1960s and ’70s. And that’s not even to mention the harshness of the sentence requested by the prosecution or the talk of “enemies of the state.” In this respect, we’ve gone beyond the 1970s — all the way back to the 1930s. For me, as a historian, this is an occasion for reflection.
At one point during my testimony, the presiding judge reminded me that one of the extenuating circumstances was “remorse for what [the accused] has done.” And although there is little that’s amusing about my present situation, I could not help smiling: The criminal, of course, must repent of his deeds. I’m in jail for my political views. For speaking out against the war in Ukraine. For many years of struggle against Vladimir Putin’s dictatorship. For facilitating the adoption of personal international sanctions under the Magnitsky Act against human rights violators.
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Not only do I not repent of any of this, I am proud of it. I am proud that Boris Nemtsov brought me into politics. And I hope that he is not ashamed of me. I subscribe to every word that I have spoken and every word of which I have been accused by this court. I blame myself for only one thing: that over the years of my political activity I have not managed to convince enough of my compatriots and enough politicians in the democratic countries of the danger that the current regime in the Kremlin poses for Russia and for the world. Today this is obvious to everyone, but at a terrible price — the price of war.
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In their last statements to the court, defendants usually ask for an acquittal. For a person who has not committed any crimes, acquittal would be the only fair verdict. But I do not ask this court for anything. I know the verdict. I knew it a year ago when I saw people in black uniforms and black masks running after my car in the rearview mirror. Such is the price for speaking up in Russia today.

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But I also know that the day will come when the darkness over our country will dissipate. When black will be called black and white will be called white; when at the official level it will be recognized that two times two is still four; when a war will be called a war, and a usurper a usurper; and when those who kindled and unleashed this war, rather than those who tried to stop it, will be recognized as criminals.
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This day will come as inevitably as spring follows even the coldest winter. And then our society will open its eyes and be horrified by what terrible crimes were committed on its behalf. From this realization, from this reflection, the long, difficult but vital path toward the recovery and restoration of Russia, its return to the community of civilized countries, will begin.
Even today, even in the darkness surrounding us, even sitting in this cage, I love my country and believe in our people. I believe that we can walk this path.
 

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Wow, thanks Denmark, very cool.

 

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Lol, the US knew about Russias invasion when most of their politicians didnt, in fact only micro members very inner circle knew, so what does that tell us?

I've been wondering if this leak is psyops or genuine.
Same.

But, seeing some chatter that it was first leaked on some trad gamer discord. So leaning towards some young gamer who works as analyst.

But, lol that could be psyops (i.e. very smart playing to peoples biases). Operation Mincemeat for Millennials.

Still sorta 50/50 on it.
 
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