Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[Dave]

but these are Eastern Europeans we are speaking of, they tend to behave in this manner when under pressure. Hardly the most "civilized" people you will ever meet

So how long were you in Eastern Europe for?

 

[MiW]

So how long were you in Eastern Europe for?

I was born in Eastern Europe , I like to believe that I am more civilized than this Fascist scum.

 

[rambo919]

I was born in Eastern Europe , I like to believe that I am more civilized than this Fascist scum.

This is the big joke of the story.... Ukraine itself is fascist just not so much that people tend to notice so they pretend it's not true.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It seems people are forgetting why beheadings like this happen. It's not about torture it's about terror, if it actually happened as reported they were using the heads as warnings of what they would do to prisoners.... it's a lot messier than simply shooting them.

Personally I find this to be a counterproductive strategy since it only emboldens the enemy rather than scaring them but these are Eastern Europeans we are speaking of, they tend to behave in this manner when under pressure. Hardly the most "civilized" people you will ever meet so why the surprise? I have to wonder though what is going on in the Russian military that this has been allowed to happen if indeed it is becoming common... and what it means for the future.

I would say with a fair amount of certainty that the vast majority of Eastern Europeans are considerably more civilised than you.

 

[rambo919]

Lemme just post a obligatory reminder of how reality according to perception shifted regarding the EE darlings of the West.....



You are all completely full of hypocritical BS with your pretentions of moral superiority given the government you are actively supporting.

 

[Dave]

Ukraine itself is fascist just not so much that people tend to notice

So how long did you live in Ukraine?

 

[ToxicBunny]

Lemme just post a obligatory reminder of how reality according to perception shifted regarding the EE darlings of the West.....

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You are all completely full of hypocritical BS with your pretentions of moral superiority given the government you are actively supporting.

Ukraine is still one of the most corrupt countries in Europe, but they were making inroads into it before Russia went "Hold my beer" and fscked the two countries up.

Ukraine never had a neo-Nazi problem that was any different to any other country.

Why is Zelensky's past as a comedian any input into whatever he had to do with Trump's impeachment?

How about an example of that NEWEurope headline that shows what parts of his rule become increasingly corrupt and authoritarian?

 

[Cray]

Lemme just post a obligatory reminder of how reality according to perception shifted regarding the EE darlings of the West.....

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You are all completely full of hypocritical BS with your pretentions of moral superiority given the government you are actively supporting.

Yeah, Ukraine is in a war, fighting for its very existence and you find it outrageous that the press focus on that rather than its other problems? How dare they!

You can support a country fighting a war against an invader and still disagree with some of their other actions and policies.

 

[rambo919]

Yeah, Ukraine is in a war, fighting for its very existence and you find it outrageous that the press focus on that rather than its other problems? How dare they!

Irrelevant to why the war started or how they are fighting it. Saying the sun is shining does not imply anything about why or how it shines.

You on the other hand pretend that it does.

You can support a country fighting a war against an invader and still disagree with some of their other actions and policies.

That is your prerogative, but I question why you do so considering you turn a blind eye to so many things.... which is what you often accuse me of doing.

On what basis exactly should Ukraine be supported other than that the TV tells us so?

 

[ghaye]

Lemme just post a obligatory reminder of how reality according to perception shifted regarding the EE darlings of the West.....

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You are all completely full of hypocritical BS with your pretentions of moral superiority given the government you are actively supporting.

Typical Russian propaganda; little snippets taken out of context and presented in a different light. Enjoy your meal. Open wide and swallow hard!

 

[Unhappy438]

Looks like shell hunger is off the menu

South Korea to lend 500,000 rounds of artillery shells to US: Report

South Korea reached an agreement last month to lend the United States 500,000 rounds of 155 mm artillery shells that could give Washington greater

english.alarabiya.net

 

[rambo919]

Typical Russian propaganda; little snippets taken out of context and presented in a different light. Enjoy your meal. Open wide and swallow hard!

No, it clearly shows the common narrative before and after the fact.... and how it is absolutely meaningless both times.

 

[Cray]

Irrelevant to why the war started or how they are fighting it. Saying the sun is shining does not imply anything about why or how it shines.

Ukraine is fighting a war but you are upset that they aren't super focused on things that they where struggling with in peacetime, maybe, just maybe they have bigger problems at the moment. Telling Ukraine to sort all their other problems while the Russians are at their gates is a little silly,.

That is your prerogative, but I question why you do so considering you turn a blind eye to so many things.... which is what you often accuse me of doing.

What do I turn a blind eye to, cite some specifics if you please.

On what basis exactly should Ukraine be supported other than that the TV tells us so?

I support Ukraine because they are fighting against an aggressive invader that is causing deaths and suffering. My question is for you now is, why wouldn't you support a country that has been invaded by an aggressive regime? Are Ukrainians not worthy of being supported because they have corruption in their country? Because they have a neo Nazi problem?

 

[rambo919]

Ukraine is fighting a war but you are upset that they aren't super focused on things that they where struggling with in peacetime, maybe, just maybe they have bigger problems at the moment. Telling Ukraine to sort all their other problems while the Russians are at their gates is a little silly,.

I am not upset, I am indifferent. This is about the reaction to Ukraine and the insistence that I am basically evil incarnate because I don't agree with it's supporters that I HAVE to support it to stop being evil.

What do I turn a blind eye to, cite some specifics if you please.

Nice try, I am not going to engage in "my propaganda is better than your propaganda".

I support Ukraine because they are fighting against an aggressive invader that is causing deaths and suffering.

Then why has no Murican president ever been called "literally Hitler" other than Trump? At least as far back as under Clinton they have been doing just this.... why is Russia a "fascist threat to world peace" but not Murica?

My question is for you now is, why wouldn't you support a country that has been invaded by an aggressive regime? Are Ukrainians not worthy of being supported because they have corruption in their country?

Play stupid games win stupid prizes, they knew this was a possibility but still did THE EXACT things that would have ensured it and now they are pretending that there was no warning. I don't support such open dishonesty, they got what they asked for.

Also there is no point in me supporting either side, my opinion will have no actual effect no matter what it is.... so why bother? None of this is any of my business, I am not about to tell either side what to do just as I expect them to keep their meddling noses out of my business. Both sides are aligned against my best interests to boot, we are not friends..... what incentive is there for me to throw my support in with anyone?

The same way I am offended that the whole world thought they knew SA well enough to dare to demand to have a say in what happens here.... I won't do it to anyone else. If someone does not have actual skin in the game he has no right to try and force his will on someone else..... and even if he does is it being done fro honorable reasons or selfish one's?

Everyone that meddled and still meddles in SA does so for selfish reasons.... the same is true for Ukraine. It absolutely disgusts me how everyone in "the West" goads them on to suffer for the sake of Western business interests.... but wants the war to stay in Ukraine so only Ukrainians and Russians suffer. I don't hate the Ukrainian people, I pity them for being the willing patsies they are.

 

[AstroTurf]

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[ForceFate]

Lemme just post a obligatory reminder of how reality according to perception shifted regarding the EE darlings of the West.....

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You are all completely full of hypocritical BS with your pretentions of moral superiority given the government you are actively supporting.

So? What's your point?

 

[Cray]

I am not upset, I am indifferent. This is about the reaction to Ukraine and the insistence that I am basically evil incarnate because I don't agree with it's supporters that I HAVE to support it to stop being evil.


Nice try, I am not going to engage in "my propaganda is better than your propaganda".

So you make vague assertions about what I supposedly turn a blind eye to but when asked to actually name a specific example you suddenly back away, perhaps you shouldn't make accusations if you aren't willing to back them up?

Then why has no Murican president ever been called "literally Hitler" other than Trump? At least as far back as under Clinton they have been doing just this.... why is Russia a "fascist threat to world peace" but not Murica?

Am really not sure what rock you were living under when the US invaded Iraq in 2003 but I was in the UK at the time and plenty of Newspapers called out Blair and Bush for their BS in launching that invasion and condemned it wholeheartedly.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes, they knew this was a possibility but still did THE EXACT things that would have ensured it and now they are pretending that there was no warning. I don't support such open dishonesty, they got what they asked for.

And there is it..., they had it coming, why I am not surprised...

Also there is no point in me supporting either side, my opinion will have no actual effect no matter what it is.... so why bother? None of this is any of my business, I am not about to tell either side what to do just as I expect them to keep their meddling noses out of my business. Both sides are aligned against my best interests to boot, we are not friends..... what incentive is there for me to throw my support in with anyone?

Most civilized people would be against people dying in a war of aggression on principle even if they cannot do anything tangible.

The same way I am offended that the whole world thought they knew SA well enough to dare to demand to have a say in what happens here....

SA had a choice to keep going with Apartheid, at least no one invaded us to force us to treat people with decency.

I won't do it to anyone else. If someone does not have actual skin in the game he has no right to try and force his will on someone else..... and even if he does is it being done fro honorable reasons or selfish one's?

We are discussing things on a forum, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. You seem plenty willing to take a position about things in the US that have no effect on you.

Everyone that meddled and still meddles in SA does so for selfish reasons.... the same is true for Ukraine. It absolutely disgusts me how everyone in "the West" goads them on to suffer for the sake of Western business interests.... but wants the war to stay in Ukraine so only Ukrainians and Russians suffer. I don't hate the Ukrainian people, I pity them for being the willing patsies they are.

This "meddling" narrative is very tiresome, Ukraine, like SA is a developing country, Ukraine and SA ask for foreign investment. If Ukraine or SA didn't want foreign "meddling" they could adopt an isolationist policy like North Korea. If Ukraine didn't want to keep fighting, do you really think the US could force them to continue their resistance? It really is a bizarre argument,

 

[buka001]

I am not upset, I am indifferent. This is about the reaction to Ukraine and the insistence that I am basically evil incarnate because I don't agree with it's supporters that I HAVE to support it to stop being evil.


Nice try, I am not going to engage in "my propaganda is better than your propaganda".


Then why has no Murican president ever been called "literally Hitler" other than Trump? At least as far back as under Clinton they have been doing just this.... why is Russia a "fascist threat to world peace" but not Murica?


Play stupid games win stupid prizes, they knew this was a possibility but still did THE EXACT things that would have ensured it and now they are pretending that there was no warning. I don't support such open dishonesty, they got what they asked for.

Also there is no point in me supporting either side, my opinion will have no actual effect no matter what it is.... so why bother? None of this is any of my business, I am not about to tell either side what to do just as I expect them to keep their meddling noses out of my business. Both sides are aligned against my best interests to boot, we are not friends..... what incentive is there for me to throw my support in with anyone?

The same way I am offended that the whole world thought they knew SA well enough to dare to demand to have a say in what happens here.... I won't do it to anyone else. If someone does not have actual skin in the game he has no right to try and force his will on someone else..... and even if he does is it being done fro honorable reasons or selfish one's?

Everyone that meddled and still meddles in SA does so for selfish reasons.... the same is true for Ukraine. It absolutely disgusts me how everyone in "the West" goads them on to suffer for the sake of Western business interests.... but wants the war to stay in Ukraine so only Ukrainians and Russians suffer. I don't hate the Ukrainian people, I pity them for being the willing patsies they are.

dude.

Regan was called Hitler.
George Bush was called Hitler.
Obama was called Hitler.

Various US politicians from the 1960's have been called Hitler.

For so many of you alt-right wing folk, your knowledge of US politics begins with Trump. It is like US politics never existed before he arrived.

 

[CommonSense]

Not sure if this has been posted already, but this is absolutely hilarious. The Russian State has become a joke.

So you are a Russian and you have a dream about meeting Zelensky and post it on social media.
The authorities give you a fine about the dream you had.
So you think this is unfair to get a fine for a dream you had and give an interview expressing such.
The authorities see the interview and give you another fine.
This is ridiculous, so you give another interview discussing the fine you got for the first interview about the dream you posted about.
The authorities see this and give you yet another fine.
LOL

Russian Fined for Discussing Fine for Sharing Zelensky Dream - The Moscow Times

A Russian court in the Siberian city of Chita has fined a local man for speaking to the press about the fine he had previously received for sharing a dream he had about Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky, the independent Mediazona news website reported Tuesday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[rambo919]

So you make vague assertions about what I supposedly turn a blind eye to but when asked to actually name a specific example you suddenly back away, perhaps you shouldn't make accusations if you aren't willing to back them up?

Because I don't believe any of these incidents can be conclusively proven yet in the current environment where Ukraine can do no wrong, you do. This is the impasse.

Am really not sure what rock you were living under when the US invaded Iraq in 2003 but I was in the UK at the time and plenty of Newspapers called out Blair and Bush for their BS in launching that invasion and condemned it wholeheartedly.

Yes there was token resistance but nothing that was NOTHING like what they currently do with Russia for basically doing the same thing only being worse at it.

And there is it..., they had it coming, why I am not surprised...

Given that it's hardly a new idea I never expected you to be.

Most civilized people would be against people dying in a war of aggression on principle even if they cannot do anything tangible.

Ah the "I am more evolved than you" angle. This is only supportable if the invaded nation did nothing to provoke it and the invader has no defensive case to make for the invasion. Also as has been pointed out many times, the kinetic phase of warfare is not necessarily the first one, this war already started decades ago with NATO being the chief aggressor and Ukraine firing the first shots.

This is not a war Russia started in a vacuum, it's a civil war that Russia (whether it agitated for it or not) only kinetically entered after it had already started.

SA had a choice to keep going with Apartheid, at least no one invaded us to force us to treat people with decency.

Apartheid was going to end anyway, it's about how it was forced to end and who was forced into power.

We are discussing things on a forum, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. You seem plenty willing to take a position about things in the US that have no effect on you.

It's about the rank hypocrisy as well as how their failed invasions PROVE that foreign interference never solves anything but instead makes it worse..... and a reminder that yet again their arms industry in profiting from the deaths of people of a foreign nation.

This "meddling" narrative is very tiresome, Ukraine, like SA is a developing country, Ukraine and SA ask for foreign investment. If Ukraine or SA didn't want foreign "meddling" they could adopt an isolationist policy like North Korea. If Ukraine didn't want to keep fighting, do you really think the US could force them to continue their resistance? It really is a bizarre argument,

There is no such thing as a "developing country" that is Social Darwinist nonsense. There are countries that are more or less globalism efficient. SA is "developing" into being such a nation..... for "developing" countries to be in any other way true would mean there is a hard end goal.... which no one has ever actually defined.

The very fact that North Korea exists in the first place is foreign meddling.

Isolationism which I advocate for in general in no way touches on business dealings since it is a political matter.... but then again.... I don't think it a good idea for countries to operate businesses in other countries anyway, if you set up your economy on the money of other countries instead of your own.... you don't actually own your own economy.

The only way Ukraine still resists is the loans it got from foreign countries, if this war ends with a Ukrainian victory.... they basically won't own their own country anymore for generations. While pretending to be morally superior the Western institutions have basically collectively captured a country. Everyone goes on about "invading a sovereign country"..... Ukraine is NOT sovereign anymore.

The moment you cannot chose your own policies or make your own laws as you see fit you are NOT sovereign over yourself. This whole #IStandWithUkraine narrative is built on a series of scams. If Russia wins the scammers will lose billions.... which is another reason they want to try and force it to lose.