Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Cray said:
Spectacular pivot there dude, bloody well done.. :laugh:
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There really is not much money in promoting peace - as Tulsi does. If there was the Bidens, Clintons, Cheneys et al would be all over it. But they're not, they promote war instead.

The expansion of NATO was lobbied for and driven by the US arms industry. See Peter Conradie's Who Lost Russia.
 
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Russians lose 500 soldiers in Bakhmut over last day – Armed Forces of Ukraine

During the day, the Russians lost 221 soldiers killed and 314 wounded on the Bakhmut front.
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During the day, the Russians lost 221 soldiers killed and 314 wounded on the Bakhmut front.

Source: Colonel Serhii Cherevatyi, the spokesman of the Eastern Group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the air of national television

Quote: "During this day, the enemy groups on the Bakhmut section of the front fired 157 times, using various types of artillery... 53 skirmishes took place, 16 times Bakhmut alone was shelled, and 23 skirmishes took place in the area of the city itself.

Throughout the fighting, 221 enemies were killed, [and] 314 suffered wounds of various degrees of severity."

Details: Answering the question whether it is possible to supply defenders of Bakhmut with necessities, Cherevatyi answered: "Our engineers and unit commanders are doing everything so that the defenders of Bakhmut have the necessary ammunition, medicines and food, and that they can transport our wounded to safe places from there."
 
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if she is not rationally ANTI-war, she can't earn a living.

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I fixed that for you.

If people just spew nonsense and are against supporting Ukraine here, they are wrong.
If people just spew nonsense and are for supporting Ukraine here, they are right, but happen to be so, like a broken clock which tells the correct time twice a day.

It makes sense for America to support Ukraine here because 1. It's the right thing to do, Ukraine are the DEFENDERS. 2. It will strengthen America's allies. 3. It will strengthen America's position in the world. 4. It will weaken Russia which has sided with China which is a potential existential threat to America and her order. 5. It will weaken China. 6. It will do all of this on the cheap, i.e. NO AMERICAN SOLDIERS HAVE TO DIE. Ukrainians while fighting for their independence are doing the hard work. The help in monetary terms is not that much given the benefits America will reap.

Tulsi Gabbard like John Mearsheimer don't realise what the source of much of their welfare is. That America can employ such parasites who produce nothing, enjoy lavish lifestyles and pay, is because the US Dollar is the worlds' reserve currency. The Russians and Chinese want to undo this. It's stupid for someone who is anti-war support in America to be this penny wise and pound foolish because the effects of a new global system would be huge on the US economy. If the world stops accepting printed US dollars Tulsi and John will have to return to the farm.
 
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buchanan8 said:
There really is not much money in promoting peace - as Tulsi does. If there was the Bidens, Clintons, Cheneys et al would be all over it. But they're not, they promote war instead.

The expansion of NATO was lobbied for and driven by the US arms industry. See Peter Conradie's Who Lost Russia.
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The Americans have bent over backwards for Russia. They have even maintained their NO NON-ROTATIONAL PERMANENT forces in former Warsaw Pact NATO countries mantra. Even now they use rotational soldiers. What Eastern Europeans want is to have what Germany has, is to have Americans permanently based there, WITH THEIR FAMILIES, because that's a real tripwire to assure their defense. That's still not happening.

As per usual you are disregarding that NATO is an alliance of the willing. Nobody is forced into it. But countries want to join because they've been repeatedly attacked and invaded by Russia and they don't want any more of that sh-t. Russia hasn't changed since tsarist days and has not dismantled her empire dreams. The rest of the world, the Brits, French, Spanish, Dutch, Belgians, Portuguese, Japanese, Germans have long age relinquished their empires or they were forced to do so. Russia still has an imperial mindset and is itself an empire and is restoring it, as we see in Ukraine. The West has been wanting Russia to be in their club. They could even be invited to NATO in the future. Russia still is in the NATO partnership for peace program which means that if there is something funny happening on the NATO side they can send inspectors to see what's going on, to check on any soldier build ups for example. The West has been co-operating in the economic spheres with Russia. The West has invested heavily in Russia. Russia chose to continue her imperial ambitions all the while stealing the wealth of their own people and accummulating it in Moscow or exporting it abroad as investments, yachts.
 
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buchanan8 said:
Is she not allowed to earn a living?

I assure you there is *much* more money to be made in being a whore for the arms industry.
Like all those Washington think-tanks. Check out their funders.
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Russia also has an arms industry which led to the death of so many Iraqis because they drank the kookaid that their T-72s were just as good as American kit, only cheaper. Russian AKs are murdering people in SA. I think you should question more your underlying Russia=good and America=bad, assumptions. In Russia you get jailtime for merely protesting and you get extra-judiciously killed in the front by your own people if you retreat.
 
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Polymathic said:
Over a year into Russia's war in Ukraine, trade into the country appears to have stabilized, despite a series of aggressive western sanctions aimed at crippling the economy and Moscow's war machine. Exploding exports of smartphones, refrigerators and washing machines from the likes of Turkey, Kazakhstan and others close to Russia suggest unorthodox new trade routes that could be supplying Russia with key technological components. In this week's DW Business Special, economist Michael Rochlitz explains why what seems like a creative workaround is a sign that sanctions are working

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Gonna give credit where credit is due! It is super awesome that you put a synopsis on the youtube video you posted!! Thank you!
 
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The Americans have bent over backwards for Russia. They have even maintained their NO NON-ROTATIONAL PERMANENT forces in former Warsaw Pact NATO countries mantra. Even now they use rotational soldiers. What Eastern Europeans want is to have what Germany has, is to have Americans permanently based there, WITH THEIR FAMILIES, because that's a real tripwire to assure their defense. That's still not happening.
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Even during wartime, neither NATO nor the US is a threat to Russia.

These Putin simps really have some kind of mental blockage going on.
 
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I think that Russia really tried to do their 'big' offense already.

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Mandatory evacuation from Kupiansk district (Kharkiv Oblast) is underway

Residents of the Kupiansk district in Kharkiv Oblast in northeastern Ukraine are being evacuated due to active hostilities in the area.
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Residents of the Kupiansk district in Kharkiv Oblast in northeastern Ukraine are being evacuated due to active hostilities in the area.

Source: Ukrinform, citing Oleh Syniehubov, Head of the Kharkiv Oblast Military Administration, on the 24/7 national newscast

Quote from Syniehubov: "Regarding evacuation from the Kupiansk front, which is currently the hottest: it is where the frontline is currently located, and enemy forces are relentlessly trying to attack the positions of our forces. That’s why we announced mandatory evacuation. We are trying to explain this to local residents."

Details: Syniehubov said that Russian forces shell cities, towns and villages in the Kupiansk hromada [an administrative unit that comprises the city of Kupiansk and its adjacent territories - ed.] every day. In light of this, civilians – especially families with children and individuals with limited mobility – were being evacuated from the area.

"The Oblast Military Administration and volunteer organisations are making efforts to evacuate everyone who wants to leave unsafe locations," the head of the administration said.


He explained that everyone who had been evacuated received humanitarian aid and free accommodation in safer parts of Kharkiv Oblast or in other Ukrainian oblasts.

The city of Zhytomyr, for instance, is prepared to welcome and comfortably accommodate 500 families with children from Kupiansk.
 
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