Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

AlmightyBender

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Hu .. this should be the end of Swiss arms manufacturing ... where exactly should Swiss weapons be used?

President defends position on ban to transfer Swiss arms to Ukraine​

Swiss neutrality is more important than ever, President Alain Berset has said, defending the controversial ban on transferring Swiss-made arms to Ukraine.
“Swiss weapons must not be used in wars,” he told the NZZ am Sonntag weekly.
The long tradition of neutrality has been hotly debated since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
Despite pressure from Kyiv and its allies, Switzerland has continued to block countries that hold Swiss-made weaponry from re-exporting it to Ukraine.
To date, requests from Germany, Spain and Denmark have been rejected under the War Materiel Act, which bars all re-export if the recipient country is in an international armed conflict.
Berset told NZZ the policy was based on “commitment to peace, to humanitarian law, to mediation where possible”.
Fully agree!

Swiss: Develops a cure for cancer (yes, the Russian military and political leadership and anyone that supports them are a cancer to this world)
Rest of world: lekka lets use it to... actually cure cancer!
Swiss: Noooooooo we believe mediating with the cancer instead

Massive loss of respect for them.
 

Blu82

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If you want to geolocate some S400 and Patriot batteries come and have a look here.

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Here is an article discussing how they do it.

Amid a busy few weeks of nuclear-related news, an Israeli researcher made a very surprising OSINT discovery that flew somewhat under the radar. As explained in a Medium article, Israeli GIS analyst Harel Dan noticed that when he accidentally adjusted the noise levels of the imagery produced from the SENTINEL-1 satellite constellation, a bunch of colored Xs suddenly appeared all over the globe.

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tetrasect

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There is another reason why there is reluctance to transfer certain weapons systems. And that's reputation. That's why the Germans insisted on the Americans sending Abrams. If videos appear showing Abrams, Leos and Challengers knocked out, it will do serious reputational damage to these brands.

It's mostly ammunition though, so this excuse doesn't really hold much water...

The Swiss government is simply out of touch on this issue, as the majority of citizens are in favor of not only allowing re-export but also sending weapons directly to Ukraine.

I expect there to be a referendum on this subject in the near future, which will likely force the government's hand.
 

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“Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying himself.”

Napoleon Bonaparte.

(Original context,
To be honest, I don't know.

I hope the Ukrainian command is not suffering from some misguided sense of hubris.

I think they should have abandoned Bakhmut a month ago.
 

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And SA uses BRICS as an excuse

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All this is just for optics. BAU on the ground reality.

India exported refined oil to (most in last 4 years) to USA & Europe. You reckon USA & Europe are dumb not to know/guess source of crude oil ?


 
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Major Boredom

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To be honest, I don't know.

I hope the Ukrainian command is not suffering from some misguided sense of hubris.

I think they should have abandoned Bakhmut a month ago.
Tbh I think Bakhmut is being used they way they want it to. Sapping Russian manpower/ supplies and hardware. The more they fling in there, the less stockpile they will have when the offensive comes
 

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Former Russian deputy prime minister Alfred Koch puts it very accurately (translated text).

A year and fifteen days of the war have passed. In the last twenty-four hours, nothing new has happened on the front lines. Nothing. Except that the Russian invaders had come to a foreign land and are now clinging to something that does not belong to them. And they want to grab even more. There isn't a crime they haven't already committed.

They spent a lot of money and killed hundreds of thousands of their own people and other people. They have destroyed their country's future and the reputation of their people. And what have they achieved in return? Nothing. Nothing but the hate and contempt of humanity. The ridiculous territorial gains they comfort their citizens with cannot impress even a clinical idiot. They are total ruins, heaps of broken war equipment and endless minefields that will now take decades to clear. But even these acquisitions cannot be regarded as profit. They must be defended at great cost because no one in the world recognizes their right to these lands and they have been told in no uncertain terms that the war will continue until they are gone. It is now clear to all that they will face decades of isolation and contempt.

The lives of an entire generation of Russians have been flushed down the toilet and will now degenerate into pathetic survival and impotent envy of the rest of humanity. That they have to pay in full for the arrogance and wild hubris they've had a great time with all these years before. They no longer think of winning. They are feverishly looking for ways to maintain the status quo. They must at least console themselves with a draw. Your psyche cannot handle defeat. But they will have to drink the bitter cup of defeat to the end. And they will have to draw consequences from what they did and where they ended up. Russia, Russia... What have you done to yourselves... My God... How will you, my former fellow citizens, bear the burden of all your crimes when you finally realize the magnitude of the evil you have committed ... you screwed everything up Your life, the life of your children. The respect of the rest of the world. your future. All the wealth that God has given you, you have spent on murder and destruction. And nothing to improve your life.

So that it becomes more beautiful, more substantial, more interesting. No. Everything was dedicated to the idea of revenge and expansion. Desiring to escape the onerous tutelage of the West with its endless demands for human rights, you have decided that free sailing is possible. But the sad truth is that by turning away from the West you have placed yourself in the clutches of China. And you have yet to find out what it's like to be caught in the clutches of China. Russia is too small to play an independent role. It cannot be a power center. And the Russians have yet to make that sad discovery. The forty-five years I spent in Russia certainly shaped me to a great extent as a person. There have been many good things in those years. Probably even more than bad ones. And to thank you for that, I want to tell you Russians that I still love you. And I feel sorry for you. And I ask you: Listen to me, not to Putin. For God's sake, listen to what I have to say. Russia is a small, moderately developed country with poor infrastructure and an archaic economy. Most people in Russia are poorly educated and, with few exceptions, poorly qualified.
Having faced (with brief interruptions) monstrous state oppression for more than a century, the Russian people have developed a unique mentality, embodied in the two proverbs "Moscow doesn't believe in tears" and "Die today, but I will die." tomorrow" is rooted.

People lack empathy and family ties. Compassion and mercy (even for their children and parents) appear to them as unpardonable cowardice. And pity and forgiveness are a sign of bullshit.
There is no people as such. There are only propaganda slogans about the greatness and magnificence of what is long gone in reality. Figuratively speaking, the people died to a greater extent in the Stalinist kolkhoz than in the war.
Everything that represents Putin's ruling class, from himself to the last FSB man, is the scum of humanity. Just garbage and scum. The country might as well be ruled by pigs or sheep. Look at the faces of these imbeciles: Patrushev and Gerasimov. Can there be any doubts about the two?

With such an economy, such a people and such an elite, Russia will never live up to the picture it has painted itself. There is no might, no strength, and no greatness. And there never was. It's just mass psychosis. A brutal pathology brought on by years of propaganda.

In view of this, you will never win this war. Believe me. I sincerely wish you all the best. Stop immediately and disappear. You all! Both the soldiers and the civilians who consider themselves Russians. This will save her life. Your own and other people's. By leaving, you stop compounding your already grave sins.

Do you think I'm naive enough to expect you to listen to me? No, not at all. I'm only writing this post to ease my conscience. 'Cause I know what's coming next. And so I feel it my duty to warn you. Even though I know very well that nobody can hear me.

And what comes next will be a terrible defeat for the Russian army. And a large number of coffins transferred to Russia. And economic devastation. And the total isolation. And widows and invalids will flood the streets of Russian cities. And perhaps Russia will even disappear from the world map.

But Ukraine and we will celebrate the victory together with her. Because it is inevitable. Because we will win. Because our cause is just and therefore the enemy will be destroyed.

Slava Ukrayini!"
 
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