Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Someone clearly knows zilch about Svoboda, which is Ukrainian.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20824693
n 2005, he (Tyahnybok ) signed an open letter to Ukrainian leaders, including President Yushchenko, calling for the government to halt the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry", which, the letter said, was spreading its influence in the country through conspiratorial organisations as the Anti-Defamation League - and which ultimately wanted to commit "genocide" against the Ukrainian people.
Other Svoboda members have also courted controversy. Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, a parliamentary deputy considered one of the party's ideologues, liberally quotes from former Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, along with other National-Socialist leaders.

This undoubtedly appeals to a number of Svoboda's voters, though to what extent is difficult to determine.

Even now, Svoboda's platform calls for passports to specify the holder's ethnicity, and for government positions to be distributed proportionally to ethnic groups, based on their representation in the population at large.
 

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Someone clearly knows zilch about Svoboda, which is Ukrainian.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20824693

What's the % of Ukrainians supporting Svoboda?

In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election, other parties joined Svoboda to form a united party list; the Governmental Initiative of Yarosh, Right Sector and National Corps.[105] But in the election they won 2.15% of the votes, less than half of the 5% election threshold, and thus no parliamentary seats via the national party list.[106]
 

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"Totally unprovoked..."

Yes, a country defending itself from Russian aggression by asking for help from others.

If Russia did not interfere in Ukraine, did not seize Crimea, did not sponsor separatists in Donbas this would not be needed.

Russia is behaving like a terrorist state. Its neighbours seek allies to have common defense against them.

EDIT: Note that neither Graham or McCain nor these Ukrainians claimed to want to invade Russia itself. There was no provocation against Russia. It's like the thug down the road who invades your house because he hears you will be installing burglar bars and it will be harder to rob you.
 

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America is so evil, that's why Medvedev sent his son there.
Keep up son ... nobody said America do evil stuff inside their own borders . They always perform their terrorist activities thousands of kilometres away in the name of democracy ;) .
 

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Russia screwed this up big time. In the 90s and 2000s they were invited to all the clubs, all the associations. Russia could have been the provider of security guarantees in the region and had her stupid buffer zone if she played her cards well. She did not. She chose to be an aggressor. Hence the Americans slowly turned their back on her. Russia could have stayed in the US system, played second fiddle to the Americans but it would still be way above what they have now and what they will have for the next 50-100 years.
 

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Keep up son ... nobody said America do evil stuff inside their own borders . They always perform their terrorist activities thousands of kilometres away in the name of democracy ;) .

Nothing like saying I support them by going there and supporting them and being like them. :)

Seems that Russians like America when she does those things but allows the Russians to get away with it, eh? Hypocrites eh?
 

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Seven year old clip of a man who's been been dead for five of those years.

Also, have you been in a coma since 2017?

Republicans are MAGA now, and that means prostrating themselves before St. Vladimir to beg him to help them win US elections.

Not all Reps. Traditionally Reps have been more anti-Russian or anti-Soviet. Obama also fscked up with his Reset. Reagan would have outdone all of them. But Trump was no Reagan, neither was Obama. Biden is also quite soft on Russia.
 

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Russia screwed this up big time. In the 90s and 2000s they were invited to all the clubs, all the associations. Russia could have been the provider of security guarantees in the region and had her stupid buffer zone if she played her cards well. She did not. She chose to be an aggressor. Hence the Americans slowly turned their back on her. Russia could have stayed in the US system, played second fiddle to the Americans but it would still be way above what they have now and what they will have for the next 50-100 years.
Caught this yesterday...

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Not all Reps. Traditionally Reps have been more anti-Russian or anti-Soviet. Obama also fscked up with his Reset. Reagan would have outdone all of them. But Trump was no Reagan, neither was Obama. Biden is also quite soft on Russia.
Think you're wrong about Joe, but I'm also watching folks like Rhonda saying Ukraine is a regional dispute; their Orange god was actively trying to sell Ukraine down the river a while back and if interviews last week are anything to go by, is even more eager for Vladdy's approval and help now.

MAGA have no ethos or principles... Traditional Republican values are meaningless to them.
 

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Think you're wrong about Joe, but I'm also watching folks like Rhonda saying Ukraine is a regional dispute; their Orange god was actively trying to sell Ukraine down the river a while back and if interviews last week are anything to go by, is even more eager for Vladdy's approval and help now.

MAGA have no ethos or principals... Tradition Republican values are meaningless to them.

Not all Reps are MAGA. Graham is not maga and is hawkish on Ukraine.

Please remember this is not about domestic American politics but about the war of aggression against the people of Ukraine and the treat to global security and stability.
 

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Then why is MiW quoting actual fascists being abandoned by Ukrainian voters?

Is that radio fascist though? And was their journo fascist too? People cite RT here so why not Svoboda then?
I bet you would also dispute what other Ukrainian media services claim too eh? The "non fascist" ones?
 

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Sure, I'll give you that.

He's also aligned with sentiment is the US right now, but all bets are off if a Republican takes the WH in '24 'tho... Lindsey will turn, we've watched him do it these last seven years.

There is a group of Reps which is anti-Russian. Those are probably not going to turn. Often referred to as RINO in some MAGA circles.

For structural reasons I don't think whoever takes the WH in the future will matter much for this. Trump would be obligated to support Ukraine too, now. Maybe less aggressively but since Russia openly and secretly has sided with China, likely MAGA would have to be less friendly to Russia. America is also ruled by a "deep state" on this sort of foreign policy stuff, all these career diplomats, military guys and elites who are not going to be drained away. The guy Trump hired for Secretary of Defense were more hawkish than the current guy.
 

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Russia screwed this up big time. In the 90s and 2000s they were invited to all the clubs, all the associations. Russia could have been the provider of security guarantees in the region and had her stupid buffer zone if she played her cards well. She did not. She chose to be an aggressor. Hence the Americans slowly turned their back on her. Russia could have stayed in the US system, played second fiddle to the Americans but it would still be way above what they have now and what they will have for the next 50-100 years.

You do spew a huge deal of garbage. So much of contained in just this one post.

In the 1990's (after so called 'shock capitalism') Russia was bankrupt and having it's natural assets - oil, gas, aluminium etc looted.
It's entire economy was in the hands of about 12 Western financed oligarchs. About 40% of ordinary Russians were living below the poverty line.
NATO had already begun its march eastwards - in contravention of promises made to Gorbachev that it wouldn't.
The president (Yeltsin) was an incompetent drunk who the Clinton Administration helped rig elections to have re-elected (since he was such a doormat for exploitative American policies with regards to Russia).

Along came Putin at the dawn of the millenium and put an end to the American backed looting. The Russian economy performed many times better in all respects, but the Americans were now butthurt that they couldn't continue stealing.

There is loads more to add, like CIA financing of terrorism in Dagestan in the 2000's, US sponsorship of anti-Russian 'colour revolutions' in Georgia and Ukraine.

The nonsense you spew that Russia was an 'aggressor' in the 90's and 2000's is typical of you, and no informed person will believe it.
 
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