Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[MiW]

They did in the case of Poland. Besides Poland has spoken about this since May last year but wanted the US to assist which they declined to do. Im fully on the whole believe it when i see it train.

Poland did send planes to Ukraine in the beginning of the war .. just delivered them in 'parts'

Poland reportedly delivered MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine as ‘spare parts’ - AeroTime

Poland has already delivered operational MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in secret, local media has reported.

www.aerotime.aero

Poland has already delivered operational MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in secret, local media has reported.


Since the initial invasion of Ukraine by Russia, Ukrainian authorities have been asking their allies for the delivery of combat aircraft, both Soviet and Western.


In March 2022, shortly after the beginning of the war, a plan to transfer the whole Polish fleet of MiG-29 fighters officially fell through, after Poland and the United States failed to reach an agreement.



“It cannot be that Poland is the only NATO country to bear the risk, and other countries would not have to compensate or share it with us in any way; we will continue to talk with our allies about MiG-29 planes,” Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs Pawel Jablonski told Polish media on March 9, 2022.


Days later, the Ukrainian Air Force said that it had not officially received any new aircraft from its allies, only spare parts, and components that helped in the restoration and repair of its current fleet.

However, it now appears that several complete MiG-29 fighters were transferred to Ukraine by Poland during that period.

The claims were first reported by the local daily paper Dziennik Gazeta Prawna, citing governmental sources. The fighters were allegedly delivered disassembled, labeled as spare parts.

‘The fuselage or wings are also a spare part,’ the sources commented.

The exact method used to ferry the aircraft was not disclosed, though with the Ukrainian airspace closely monitored by Russia, it is likely that they were transferred by train.

 

[Unhappy438]

Poland did send planes to Ukraine in the beginning of the war .. just delivered them in 'parts'

Poland reportedly delivered MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine as ‘spare parts’ - AeroTime

Poland has already delivered operational MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in secret, local media has reported.

www.aerotime.aero

Poland has already delivered operational MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in secret, local media has reported.


Since the initial invasion of Ukraine by Russia, Ukrainian authorities have been asking their allies for the delivery of combat aircraft, both Soviet and Western.


In March 2022, shortly after the beginning of the war, a plan to transfer the whole Polish fleet of MiG-29 fighters officially fell through, after Poland and the United States failed to reach an agreement.



“It cannot be that Poland is the only NATO country to bear the risk, and other countries would not have to compensate or share it with us in any way; we will continue to talk with our allies about MiG-29 planes,” Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs Pawel Jablonski told Polish media on March 9, 2022.


Days later, the Ukrainian Air Force said that it had not officially received any new aircraft from its allies, only spare parts, and components that helped in the restoration and repair of its current fleet.

However, it now appears that several complete MiG-29 fighters were transferred to Ukraine by Poland during that period.

The claims were first reported by the local daily paper Dziennik Gazeta Prawna, citing governmental sources. The fighters were allegedly delivered disassembled, labeled as spare parts.

‘The fuselage or wings are also a spare part,’ the sources commented.

The exact method used to ferry the aircraft was not disclosed, though with the Ukrainian airspace closely monitored by Russia, it is likely that they were transferred by train.

If they did actually do that then they would have less than 29 aircraft to currently give Ukraine. No, what did actually happen is a coalition of countries gave spares to Ukraine from non operational jets. The US even announced that as part of one of their aid packages to Ukraine.

 

[MiW]

If they did actually do that then they would have less than 29 aircraft to currently give Ukraine. No, what did actually happen is a coalition of countries gave spares to Ukraine from non operational jets. The US even announced that as part of one of their aid packages to Ukraine.

Nop, they did give planes , though I think few more countries were involved too... that is my opinion from reading EE-EU news at the time, Ukraine received Migs last year and I was thinking if Romania and Bulgaria where involved too, because it was right after Kuleba? went on 'tour' in the region.

 

[Unhappy438]

Nop, they did give planes , though I think few more countries were involved too... that is my opinion from reading EE-EU news at the time, Ukraine received Migs last year and I was thinking if Romania and Bulgaria where involved too, because it was right after Kuleba? went on 'tour' in the region.

So they gave planes but still have the same number to give? Did the planes have babies? Explain please?

 

[MiW]

So they gave planes but still have the same number to give? Did the planes have babies? Explain please?

Some governments don't want to publicize what they gave to Ukraine, last year Bulgarian government swore that they never sent even one bullet to Ukraine, next twitter started posting some weapons coming from there and few weeks later there was an incident in the Bulgarian arms factory ..



I don't know what is the stock of Soviet planes in any of the ex Eastern block, and I doubt you know the real numbers either, what the governments there say and what they do is not the same thing, specially in war times with soo many GRU agents all over.

Fact is Ukraine did get Migs, Polish seems the plausible source, unless you have different theory?

 

[Unhappy438]

Some governments don't want to publicize what they gave to Ukraine, last year Bulgarian government swore that they never sent even one bullet to Ukraine, next twitter started posting some weapons coming from there and few weeks later there was an incident in the Bulgarian arms factory ..

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I don't know what is the stock of Soviet planes in any of the ex Eastern block, and I doubt you know the real numbers either, what the governments there say and what they do is not the same thing, specially in war times with soo many GRU agents all over.

Fact is Ukraine did get Migs, Polish seems the plausible source, unless you have different theory?

No the only fact is that Ukraine received parts for migs from a number of different countries. The point we are debating is how did Poland give Ukraine operational jets and still have the same number of operational jets to give afterwards. You're yet to answer this question.

 

[buka001]

You do spew a huge deal of garbage. So much of contained in just this one post.

In the 1990's (after so called 'shock capitalism') Russia was bankrupt and having it's natural assets - oil, gas, aluminium etc looted.
It's entire economy was in the hands of about 12 Western financed oligarchs. About 40% of ordinary Russians were living below the poverty line.
NATO had already begun its march eastwards - in contravention of promises made to Gorbachev that it wouldn't.
The president (Yeltsin) was an incompetent drunk who the Clinton Administration helped rig elections to have re-elected (since he was such a doormat for exploitative American policies with regards to Russia).

Along came Putin at the dawn of the millenium and put an end to the American backed looting. The Russian economy performed many times better in all respects, but the Americans were now butthurt that they couldn't continue stealing.

There is loads more to add, like CIA financing of terrorism in Dagestan in the 2000's, US sponsorship of anti-Russian 'colour revolutions' in Georgia and Ukraine.

The nonsense you spew that Russia was an 'aggressor' in the 90's and 2000's is typical of you, and no informed person will believe it.

Those oligarchs are still in power. Still rich and Putin was responsible for much of the looting himself.

Strange how they are still there ...

Oh and why lie about Gorbachev.

Here is Gorbachev himself -

The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context…

 

[MiW]

No the only fact is that Ukraine received parts for migs from a number of different countries. The point we are debating is how did Poland give Ukraine operational jets and still have the same number of operational jets to give afterwards. You're yet to answer this question.

I am expressing my personal opinion that they did, based on news, I can not show any evidence on it. I don't even know how many planes Poland had before and how many do they have now. Interested to see your source of the numbers.

 

[ForceFate]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1635940483074600963

Damn! Did he...?

 

[Unhappy438]

I am expressing my personal opinion that they did, based on news, I can not show any evidence on it. I don't even know how many planes Poland had before and how many do they have now. Interested to see your source of the numbers.

From March last year when the talk first started.

Poland does seem the most capable of gifting planes to Ukraine. In the Polish Air Force inventory there are 22 MiG-29A and 6 MiG-29UB.

Logistic challenges abound for potential US-Poland-Ukraine fighter swap - Breaking Defense

Talk that Poland could send MiG-29s to Ukraine in exchange for the US sending F-16s to Warsaw is enticing to some, but questions about timing, maintenance and pilot availability will complicate it.

breakingdefense.com

I think thats proof enough that Poland hasnt given any operational planes.

 

[buchanan8]

Those oligarchs are still in power. Still rich and Putin was responsible for much of the looting himself.

Strange how they are still there ...

Perhaps you should look up Boris Berezovsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

Allegations of Putin's alleged looting have never been proven and funnily enough come from the exact same sources that gave us Iraq's WMD.

 

[MunosMachos]

Perhaps you should look up Boris Berezovsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

Allegations of Putin's alleged looting have never been proven and funnily enough come from the exact same sources that gave us Iraq's WMD.

Don't forget about Bill Browder (not a Russian oligarch, but like the Russian oligarchs, looted Russia). One of the biggest crooks and some pro-Ukie white supremacists here just loooove to quote that criminal.

 

[MiW]

From March last year when the talk first started.

Logistic challenges abound for potential US-Poland-Ukraine fighter swap - Breaking Defense

Talk that Poland could send MiG-29s to Ukraine in exchange for the US sending F-16s to Warsaw is enticing to some, but questions about timing, maintenance and pilot availability will complicate it.

breakingdefense.com

I think thats proof enough that Poland hasnt given any operational planes.

I meant how do you know there are so many of them and lets say 3 of them are not missing. Any way lets move on.

 

[Unhappy438]

I meant how do you know there are so many of them and lets say 3 of them are not missing. Any way lets move on.

Well then the original source is talking schit when they say Poland has "x" to give. Which i wouldn't discount either because Visegrad is a schit source (you guys should stop using it).

Yes that's fine though, lets move on.

 

[tetrasect]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1635920478723342338

 

[buka001]

Perhaps you should look up Boris Berezovsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

Allegations of Putin's alleged looting have never been proven and funnily enough come from the exact same sources that gave us Iraq's WMD.

Putin's looting never proven.

I guess his Mansion and other properties were "donations"

 

[Cray]

Putin's looting never proven.

I guess his Mansion and other properties were "donations"

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The guy has effectively been in power for 22 years, rules one of the most corrupt countries in the world but am absolutely sure he never took a ruble for himself.

 

[buchanan8]

Putin's looting never proven.

I guess his Mansion and other properties were "donations"

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How do you know that's Putin's mansion?

 

[buka001]

How do you know that's Putin's mansion?

The litany of investigations that have shown that Putin own's it.

 

[ToxicBunny]

The guy has effectively been in power for 22 years, rules one of the most corrupt countries in the world but am absolutely sure he never took a ruble for himself.

Nope, he's squeaky clean.