Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

[rambo919]

What was the date that Ukraine invaded Russian? It's slipped my mind.

You know, you lot keep mentioning it as if the invasion itself is the most important aspect of this conflict when it's just one of many.

 

[greg0205]

You know, you lot keep mentioning it as if the invasion itself is the most important aspect of this conflict when it's just one of many.

Well there it is… The most stupid thing on the internet today.

 

[rambo919]

Well there it is… The most stupid thing on the internet today.

Oh I dunno, you have some zingers yourself.... such as thinking physical invasion always starts a war.

 

[greg0205]

Oh I dunno, you have some zingers yourself.... such as thinking physical invasion always starts a war.

Sorry man, I was wrong about your last post.

This one is the most stupid thing on the internet today.

 

[Dave]

Oh I dunno, you have some zingers yourself.... such as thinking physical invasion always starts a war.

Lay off the vodka so early.

Can you point out when a physical invasion has ever been considered the start of peace?

 

[rambo919]

Sorry man, I was wrong about your last post.

This one is the most stupid thing on the internet today.

Remember that accusation when the US and China start trading salvos when their current cold war goes hot and I will be ready with my I told you so's.

 

[greg0205]

Remember that accusation when the US and China start trading salvos when their current cold war goes hot and I will be ready with my I told you so's.

Roger that red leader.

 

[rambo919]

Lay off the vodka so early.

Can you point out when a physical invasion has ever been considered the start of peace?

Can't drink Vodka, gives me the shits.

And you should lay off with the ludecrous false dichotomies. Read Art of War at least for a minimum education of what war is.

 

[rambo919]

Roger that red leader.

I prefer brown or black.

 

[Dave]

And you should lay off with the ludecrous false dichotomies.

There's no false dichotomy, you claimed "such as thinking physical invasion always starts a war".

So when did a physical invasion lead to an outbreak of peace?

 

[rambo919]

There's no false dichotomy, you claimed "such as thinking physical invasion always starts a war".

So when did a physical invasion lead to an outbreak of peace?

How is that not a false dichotomy?

You are not even saying the reverse of what I said.

 

[tetrasect]

Can't drink Vodka, gives me the shits.

That's exactly what you need, cause you're full of it right now.

 

[buka001]

The original 1990's oligarchs used criminal methods - including mafiya tactics and intimidation, rigged no-contest auctions of state assets, tricked their workers (who were naive) out of shares etc. Much of the proceeds were sent to New York, London and Tel Aviv. This was during the chaotic Yeltsin years when Russia's economic landscape was known as the Wild East. These oligarchs were brought to heel by Putin - most famously Boris Berezovsky and Mikhail Khodorkovsky. But also others.

Later under Putin there was a much larger group of businessmen who participated in the economy and had access to opportunities - and the general level of prosperity for ordinary Russians rose significantly too. These are undeniable facts and a matter of record.

No I am not saying that corruption was eliminated, there is probably still a relatively high level of corruption in Russia, but it is certainly better than in the 1990's.

Lol, my sweet summer child. Your naivety knows no bounds.

Boris was anti-Putin and when he became a liability he was killed. Same with Mikhail (he is just managed to keep alive though).

They fell on the wrong side of the corruption power plays when Putin came to power. You ignore the oligarchs from the 1990's who were friendly to Putin.

Far more in number than the 2 or 3 that lost to Putin's power grabs.

Abramovich? Got rich in the '90s, by profiting off the sale of ex Soviet assets.

Timchenko? Who Putin gave an oil exporting license in 1991.

Rotenberg? Putin's childhood friend. Traded oil from Finland in the '90s.

Deripaska? Who in the '90s, while still at University profited off sale of ex-Soviet metal infustry and established large aluminium manufacturing companies in partnership with Abramovich.

Usmanov? Also benefited off collapse of '90s Soviet industry and became a minning and construction magnate.

Why have these oligarchs from the '90s, not been brought to heel?

 

[rambo919]

Why have these oligarchs from the '90s, not been brought to heel?

They have though, it's not a chaotic no rules free for all any more, now they have to answer to someone.

 

[buka001]

They have though, it's not a chaotic no rules free for all any more, now they have to answer to someone.

They haven't. They get richer, while the average Russian gets poorer.

Russia is still corrupt. Worse than Ukraine.

 

[rambo919]

They haven't. They get richer, while the average Russian gets poorer.

Russia is still corrupt. Worse than Ukraine.

How does that contradict my statement?

 

[The Trutherizer]

Lol, my sweet summer child. Your naivety knows no bounds.

Boris was anti-Putin and when he became a liability he was killed. Same with Mikhail (he is just managed to keep alive though).

They fell on the wrong side of the corruption power plays when Putin came to power. You ignore the oligarchs from the 1990's who were friendly to Putin.

Far more in number than the 2 or 3 that lost to Putin's power grabs.

Abramovich? Got rich in the '90s, by profiting off the sale of ex Soviet assets.

Timchenko? Who Putin gave an oil exporting license in 1991.

Rotenberg? Putin's childhood friend. Traded oil from Finland in the '90s.

Deripaska? Who in the '90s, while still at University profited off sale of ex-Soviet metal infustry and established large aluminium manufacturing companies in partnership with Abramovich.

Usmanov? Also benefited off collapse of '90s Soviet industry and became a minning and construction magnate.

Why have these oligarchs from the '90s, not been brought to heel?

Putin was high up in the committee who distributed the assets anyway. Definitely as far as the resource assets like oil and gas were concerned. There's a reason Gazprom wanted to chip in at the UN security council when it started becoming clear the bluff is being called (not to mention that the Russian diplomats were amenable to such a preposterous act). The geopolitical entity known as Russia is Gazprom. And Putin is part of that.

Those Russian soldiers dying are not doing it for their fatherland. They might think they are, but in reality they are simply a calculated expense on Gazprom's balance sheet.

 

[Matata]

There's no false dichotomy, you claimed "such as thinking physical invasion always starts a war".

So when did a physical invasion lead to an outbreak of peace?

He is going full tropic thunder tonight.

anyway back on topic:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1635931541720186882

 

[hexagon]

The civil war started in 2014.
Burnt alive in Odessa:

Anyone thinking that the Donbass (the vast majority Russian speakers) didn't need intervention, is complicit in the crimes committed against those citizens.

FACING THE WAR

This documentary is about the war in Donbass that has been going on for 8 years but most of the world had turned a blind eye on it. And keeps ignoring it even now when the political crisis hit the res

rumble.com

 

[Dave]

How is that not a false dichotomy?

You are not even saying the reverse of what I said.

Ok, let's make it a little easier for you.

1) physical invasion starts war

2) physical invasion starts peace

Which one works in your mind?